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    Posted: February-13-2018 at 3:42am

Just thought I'd post results of installing windows 7 and FSX on a new coffee lake system, or the latest Z370 chipset.

Previous post about installing on kabylake and expanded in detail by Nick is here.
http://www.simforums.com/forums/7th-and-8th-gen-pc-and-windows-7_topic59143.html

Everything works the same way,  except for the situation that there are, either limited or no windows 7 drivers on the website. Well, again, Not exactly true,  yes they are there, but as we say, hidden in plain sight. Wink

Following information from Intel, who politely informed us that their latest chipset driver package is backward compatible with older operating systems, we decided to investigate a bit further.

So following previous post, we were able to successfully install windows 7 to the following system,

motherboard; Asus Maximus X Hero, Z370 chipset.
I7-8700k
GeForce 1080.

Going to the website here; 
https://www.asus.com/Motherboards/ROG-MAXIMUS-X-HERO/HelpDesk_Download/

 we selected the os. as windows 7, and were given only 2 options,  sound and LAN drivers, which we downloaded.

Then we selected Windows 10 os. and downloaded the chipset and sata drivers.   unzipped to a folder.   As per Intel we discovered that it was in fact true that they support windows 7, by opening with notepad the 'inf file',  and Yes, in the list of supported os. is windows 7 and 8.

Then selected "Run as admin" "SetupChipset.exe". and the chipset drivers installed without issue,  checked in device manager etc.

Next the SATA drivers,  same thing, If you open with Notepad the "iaAHCIC.inf" file, you will see that "PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_A282&CC_0106" (Intel 300 Series Chipset Family SATA AHCI Controller) is listed under Win7, despite the fact this driver is uploaded by Asus for Windows 10 only.

We used this method to install,
>Device Manager/System devices".>
 Expand "IDE ATA/ATAPI controllers". Right click on "Standard AHCI 1.0 Serial ATA Controller" and select "Update Driver Software".
 Select "Browse my computer for driver software" and browse for location where you extracted "RST_15.8.1.1007_20170913_WHQL.zip". Check "Include subfolders" box.
 
Again, they installed correctly.

didn't try the Intel VGA as not needed.
(edit)  Use VGA drivers from previous Z270 and skylake for Windows 7.  Same drivers for all 3 cpu versions, skylake, kabylake and coffeelake.
 
So again we see the push to windows 10 with motherboard manufacturers telling little white lies when they know that Z370 does in fact support windows 7. Wacko

Finally, to the owners delight, window 7 and FSX installed and running on a brand new computer.
As Nick pointed out previously,  I didn't do any performance testing, but wasn't all that impressed with the new system and wouldn't describe it as a great leap forward from the Haswell.  But then, mine is tuned using Nick's bible.

Hope this helps, Beer

Ron.

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Thanks Ron!
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Originally posted by Ronski Ronski wrote:

Finally, to the owners delight, window 7 and FSX installed and running on a brand new computer.

As Nick pointed out previously,  I didn't do any performance testing, but wasn't all that impressed with the new system and wouldn't describe it as a great leap forward from the Haswell.  But then, mine is tuned using Nick's bible.

Hope this helps, Beer

Ron.


Useful info, many (including me) would not have thought to try that!

I've recently upgraded from a GTX 980 to a GTX 1080Ti, keeping my 4790K in place. An expensive but worthwhile upgrade which is of noticeable benefit with DX11 (but not DX9) as expected. DX11 GPU benchmark scores are more than doubled and the visual results are much more rapid texture loading and a general increase in smoothness even under the toughest scenery areas which I was avoiding before - it honestly feels like I have a new system and I'm ready for a bigger screen and higher resolutions when I want them.

So this just reinforces how a well spec'd and built Haswell system is worth hanging on to and upgrading in key areas. To quote Nick "If you are already on Haswell 4770K or above and running 4.4-4.8GHz on decent DDR3 memory, upgrade the video card, upgrade the storage system, but for gods sake DONT throw away the rest of the system regardless of staying on Windows7 or not.."

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Yea, unless I was desperate or just wanted to play not expecting to be successful I probably wouldn't have tried such a setup unless:
 
a. I was going to dual boot, run W7 and W10 to compare on the same tower
 
b. I had a z270 setup AS WELL whereby all drivers certified for W7 were available from the motherboard manufacture.
 
 
At that point I could compare the z370 rig between OS's and then compare that to the z270
 
That would indicate reworking drivers for the z370 were worth the effort or not.
 
But there is also Microsoft. Although it may be possible to build and get the initial z370 up and running with any needed updates, from that point on we don't know what MS is going to do past their announcement that they will detect and cut the system off from updates.
 
 
and last, the typical user would not be able to accomplish any of that without very clearly and simplistically written step by step guides, and then, they would have to be able to deal with any unknowns they may be presented with down the line.
 
 
But I do agree from what I have seen thus far, since a Haswell runs PCIe 3.0 having our older Haswell running 4.4-4.7GHz on decent DDR3 2400 memory (tight timing) and the higher end video cards (1070/1080), I do not see a lot of difference. The hard drives do not run any faster and although there may be newer instructions coded to the newer processors, no version of Flight Sim or P3D makes any use of them.
 
Anyone who built a Haswell setup and did it right in 2013 can easily upgrade drives to SSD and upgrade the video adapter to the latest version and see basically the same thing someone who buys a z270/z370 system sees.
 
 
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Quote they would have to be able to deal with any unknowns they may be presented with down the line.
Yes, this is the unknown,
in this case a customer/friend's old computer died. A complete new system was required.
 Here in Australia, it's getting harder to get 'older' hardware, ie. Haswell/skylake without searching 'on line' for parts.
 
we agreed to give it a try and found out the 'Windows 10 only' chipset/Sata  drivers are indeed windows 7 certified.
When I have time, I may look a bit closer at other so-called '10' only drivers.
 
They were happy to have it, computer mainly to be used for Flight Simming only.
I also warned that some of the features of the new board would probably not work correctly and to take advantage of these new features, then a dual boot would be a better option.
 
Like you said,  even though it can still be done, it's getting more complicated.
Even more hurdles to jump.  (your going to have to work a little  a lot more.)
 
 
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even though it can still be done, it's getting more complicated.
 
 
And that is how MS is pushing mainstream
 
I can do what you outlined, can the masses?   of course not!
 
 
Also consider, this nonsense about Spectre and Intel infiltration, was known many years ago
 
 
Timing: MS wants everybody on their new OS, they have said to network admins, "DO NOT UPDATE YET BUT WE ARE GETTING THERE"
 
I mean really?   The exploit dates back to 1991 <--------------------   yes it does
 
 
Now all of a sudden you must have new hardware and Windows 10 to be safe.
 
Perfect example of tying the rope to the bull nose ring and leading him around.
 
 
 
 
 
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The Good:
Originally posted by NickN NickN wrote:

Anyone who built a Haswell setup and did it right in 2013 can easily upgrade drives to SSD and upgrade the video adapter to the latest version and see basically the same thing someone who buys a z270/z370 system sees.

The Bad:  Try buying a 10 series nvidia card at a fair price right now! Dead

The Ugly:  As NickN points out, the security exploits of out of sequence and speculative branch execution has been known for decades.  Many white papers have been submitted over the years at conferences and published in technical journals outlining the impacts of these weaknesses on secure computing environments.  Why the computing industry decided to stick its head in the sand for all these years is inexcusable.  It's as if they were the captain of the Titanic, only they were told they were on course to hit the iceberg and decided "Oh, that's OK.  We'll deal with it when we finally hit it and begin to sink".
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hey guys long time listener 1st time caller..
1st, thanks to everyone who has contributed to this thread

I wanna report that my 8600k, 2x8 gskill c14, on an ROG X APEX is doing:

24/7 overclock -the bios comes with professional overclock presets, I'm using one of them
cpu 5.0 -lidded
mem 4133 cl 17 1.40v

aida mem thoughput score is 60MB+ with latencies under 40ns, usually around 39.5ns.

My system will run the AIDA cpu, fpu and mem stress test all day under 60c using the H110 v2.  under 75 if I unplug the fans ...really/

Thanks again gentlemen



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Originally posted by funknnasty funknnasty wrote:



aida mem thoughput score is 60MB+

er 60GB
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If you have loaded a Windows 7 OS, it may be in your best interest to patch it up completely, immediately, and create an updated installation image to ensure you’ll still have access to security and feature updates that exist today in the event that Microsoft shuts down access in the future.

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yeah, I've been following this thread and Nick"s adventure with the Z board closely.

I was at the store today to pick up a new Win7 Pro license and a drive to start the process. Not looking forward to it. I have a feeling I'll be on this Win7 install until I can no longer re-arm the activation count down.

Thanks for heads up.
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