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After some additional tests, I have found some erratic movements when using "turbulent motion" and "vibration" effects from DHM menu. If I disable such items, the jumps disappear.

For me, the problem is when using some DHM effects, not TIR interface. Without effects, TIR is absolutely smooth. My hardware is capable to move Prepar3D at a reasonable FPS (locked at 30)

I have used 18, 16 and 14 ms. All of them have the same problem.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Opus Software Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October-16-2012 at 10:58am
But the turbulence is supposed to produce bumps. Please try beta 2.28.2 anyway.
You can test the turbulent motions and vibration effects in the dialog. These are of course superimposed on the TrackIR head movement.
Only disable your turbulence and vibration effects if they are causing problems, you should be able to see what the effects are like by ticking the Test checkboxes in the dialog. Hopefully you will see the same effects when you hold your head still in flight (if there is turbulence that is), if the effects look the same then you should leave them enabled and enjoy the RW experience.
 
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I am almost there, set scan speed to 30, got quite some improvement. Still 2.28.1
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I also found the 'spikes' reduced the higher i set the scan rate and completely disappeared at 36ms with TIR 4.
Lower setting were jumping with DHM active.

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Originally posted by Opus Software Opus Software wrote:

Hi Bryan
 
With TrackIR disabled is your system able to render the Smooth Camera Transitions between camera views without any stutter, or show a smooth AHM movement again without any stutter. Try Smooth Camera Transition setting right up to 100 the max and make sure everything is smooth. Assuming the drivers are OK then I have a sneaking suspicion your system will not be able to show a smooth camera transition or AHM motion since FSX simply cannot cope or process the 6DOF updates smoothly enough.
 
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Test 1 Smooth Camera Transitions: 4 new cameras created for testing purposes, all 4 cameras set to 100% camera transition speed.  Cycling between cameras results in smooth transitions. My personal preference would be to see slower transition speeds but that is not the point here.

Test 2 AHM movements: Tested using default AHM settings with Enable Smooth Head Movements ticked, some stuttering is evident but for what it's worth frame rate remains steady at 30fps where it is locked.

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Cheers Bryan

I assume the fast transition speed is for the PMDG aircraft, I will see about extending the range again.

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I have this occasional jerkiness or spiking as well.  How do I adjust the scan time? I can't figure out where to access that setting.
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The scan time is in the Configuration dialog.
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I adjusted the scan time to 36 and nowSmile. I love it.
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Thanks for the reply -- I adjusted it to 28 and the problem appears to be gone. I'll have to give it a real work out tonight to make sure.
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Sounds like you've fixed the problem here by allowing users to adjust the settings to suit their particular system in every conceivable way....now, about those winds aloft??  Gribble gribble!!
 
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Historic data ready next week, True winds aloft will be ready in two to three weeks, along with weather smoothing (a first for the industry).

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Well, I spoke too soon.  The jerking or flicker still happens with the scan speed set to 28, although it seems improved to a tolerable frequency. 

Stephen, are you seeing this at your end?  When, and only when, DMH becomes active during ground roll or turbulence, I get an occasional jerk in the otherwise smooth shaking. It's as if the view is significantly displaced for only a single frame.  The effect is like a flash or flicker.  I would like to know if this is something definitely related to the scan rate and whether I should be going up or down from the default, which I guess is 12, to try and end the problem.  

(I should add that in spite of this issue, this is among the best software I have ever purchased for FSX - it really has tansformed the experience for me.)
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Opus Software Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October-17-2012 at 2:47pm
I will check out the DHM with TrackIR with your settings tomorrow. There should be any spikes getting through since the DHM software is not aware of wether it is feeding data direct to the sim or via the TIR interface. It's more likely to be that when DHM is active the TIR interface has to update SimConnect more frequently, the two data sources being combined. I will check it out tomorrow though, but we haven't noticed any jerky action at all up to now. I mostly use a setting of 18ms.

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I am using Track IR 4 hardware with V5.1.3 software.

What profile in TrackIR do I use? Do I need to set anything in the TrackIR software before using the livecam function? These may have been answered in these threads but I can't see anything specific.

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Use whatever profile suits you the best, most opt for a smooth camera movement with or without dead zone in the centre. You should also adjust the TIR Speed and Smoothness settings to give you the smoothest response to head movement. You could try settings of 1 and 50 then adjust from there. You can alter our scan time and scaling factors again to suit the smoothness of motion and the required total head movement, just enough scaling to see behind you should do. You may find the defaults perfectly fine.

But the Live Camera software does not require any specific settings in TIR.

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Ah well. I have tried to get TrackIR to stop juddering but I give up for now. I have disabled all cams and gone back to EZCA. I now only use the weather engine part which is what I wanted anyway and well worth the price just for that!

I will revisit the cam side of things after xmas when more features etc are added.

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I have the same issue.  I have it smooth enough (10) and it moves at a speed I am comfortable with (.6), but fairly often, it just jumps a bit for no reason.  Not sure what causes this in the interaction between Live Camera and TIR.  Didn't happen in EZCA.  On the other hand, I like the smoothness and speed better than my old experience with EZCA.  I didn't try these settings there though. 

The DHM is fantastic, and I can now have TIR enabled when setting up cameras, so that's much appreciated! 
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Try fiddling with the scan rate within Opus. My TIR was "jumping" as well, seeming to flick back momentarily to the default "dead ahead" position for that camera. I adjusted the scan rate slightly and it totally fixed the problem.
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I adjusted the scan speed to 32 and haven't had a single judder for several flights. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Opus Software Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October-23-2012 at 11:00am
We have found that it is very easy to go too fast for FSX to cope, under such circumstances FSX seems to throw away the 6DOF requests until it can once again cope, hence some of the stuttering. We are now experiencing some of these issues with LC control and having to slow things down a touch so that everything remains in sync.
 
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I haven't been installing the betas.  I had TrackIR working nicely with the last full version (1.24 I believe).  I installed the new version and had to readjust things again in the TrackIR profiles, changing the curves so that I had good range of movement again.  Except I don't have full range.  I was able to look 180 degrees behind me before.  I've changed the curves so that I can get close to that now, but only to about 160 degrees.  In the TrackIR window, I have full movement beyond 180 degrees, but not in FSX with Opus running.  I have tried changing the XYZ scaling (from 1.00 up to 2.00) but it does not change how far I can turn my head. 

Not sure what you changed, but it significantly changed how my profile works in FSX. 
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I'd still like to know what settings to try to get back 180 degree range of motion.  
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The scaling in the Configure dialog should do it in conjunction with the TrackIR speed and smoothness settings. The TIR data is just raw data values so any changes will effect the settings.

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Hmmm...that's not my experience.  I have changed the XYZ scaling from 1.00 through to 2.00 without any change in the final degree of movement.  It always stops at about 160 degrees.  As I said, it didn't used to until I upgraded to the latest version, so something must have changed.  
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I said the scaling should be adjusted in conjunction with the TIR speed and smoothness settings. I would put the scaling back to its defaults again and set up your TIR profile, speed and smoothness. Then adjust the scaling if needed.

Remember the scaling is just applied to the raw data it receives from the device, so you should adjust the device first, then tweak the scaling as required but set the default values in first.

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Yes, as I said in my first message, I have adjusted the speed and smoothness and also the profile curves (not something I've had to do with prior versions) in order to even go beyond 90 degrees.  When I first tried Opus, I was unable to get TrackIR to go beyond about 100-110 degrees, if you'll recall, and something you did in one of the versions fixed that problem.  I then set up speed and smoothness in TrackIR so that I could look fully behind me and had smooth movement.  Then I installed the latest release version, and once again I could only look about 90-100 degrees.  So I changed speed and smoothness again, without much effect.  So I have to significantly alter my profile curves so that I could even get close to 180 degrees (about 160).  I then tried changing the scaling, but changes there have had no effect.  It was working fine, and now it's not, and I've changed nothing else, so something you've changed in the latest release version or the betas leading up to it (that I didn't install) is preventing full range of motion again.  
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What is your PBY scaling set at.

I am sure I can get full range of motion here but will check again tomorrow. The scaling does nothing other than scale the raw data from the device. You should be able to adhpjust it and see a difference. I will check it again tomorrow just in case.

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I've left PBY scaling at default.  I tried adjusting it a small amount, but noticed no difference, so put it back at default.  I was surprised that scaling didn't seem to have an effect.  Perhaps it did in some way, but not with respect to the limit of motion. 

If I have a chance, I'll uninstall and reinstall the 1.24 version and recheck as well. 
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Do not go back, the software is not pt backward compatible. Just adjust your PBY scaling.

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Okay, I won't roll back.  I'll try adjusting the scaling again and see, but I've tried already.  
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Make sure you adjust the PBY scaling in conjunction to tweaking your TIR speed setting and profile.

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AHA!  So, as I said, I only adjusted the PBY scaling a little, since I thought it would be XYZ scaling that would matter.  I adjusted it from .75, which was the default, to .85, and didn't notice a difference.  I've just tried it again, and I noticed a slight difference (say 5 degrees further back).  So I kept adjusting and, viola, that is the issue.  It seems the PBY scaling sets a hard limit to how far behind one can look.  At 1.00, it appears to be 180 degrees.  Higher settings mean I can look more than 180 degrees behind me. 

I hadn't noticed a hard limit when looking around before.  Is that something added since the last full release version?  I kind of like it, actually, now that I know how to adjust it.  It prevents the Exorcist head movement possibilities I used to have.  I can still get those if I want -- a PBY setting of about 1.5 seems to allow me to pivot my head completely around and look out the front of the plane again. :-)

So, I've set it to 1.00 and now have full range to behond the plane.  Really makes it a lot easier when I'm flying MP, as I mostly do, and need to look behind me to see where others are at (which is usually behind me). 

So, what does PBY mean, anyway?  XYZ I think I understand.
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We added XYZ and PBY adjustable scaling some time back, before it was hard wired into the interface. The XYZ scaling adjusts the X (left right), Y (up down), and Z (fwd back) raw data movement of the head. The PBY scales the Pitch, Bank, and Yaw raw movement data. A setting of 1.0 means no adjustment or scaling is applied to the TIR raw data etc.

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Thanks for the explanation and the help.  Just flew a circuit in the A2A Cub with the new settings and all is well!  Great weather too!  Bowerman appears to be SVFR at the moment!  :-)

I've had to adjust speed and smoothing.  It appears that .5 speed and full 50 smoothing gives the best results now.  I started out with 1.0 and 10, but have progressively decreased the former and increased the latter.  That seems to change with each release, but I suspect we are settling in on final settings for the TrackIR interface now.  And it's a matter of preference as well.  I don't like my head to move too fast. 
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You are correct, the TrackIR interface has completed its round of development at present, we have tried just about everything to overcome the stutters on just the few systems experiencing them but are convinced now that the reason lies elsewhere. The only likely future upgrade will not affect the interface, it will just add adjustable limits associated with the camera views (stop the head moving outside the cockpit etc.).

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That will be nice.  EZDOK has such a feature, but I found it so cumbersome that I never used it.  As it is now, I just have that axis with a pretty flat line so that I can't move to that side very much.  I know most people don't like to mess with curves, but you really can set up TrackIR to do pretty much what you want it to do by means of them.  
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That's interesting because I do not want to waste time developing software when there is already a manufacturers method for doing that. It is not high on my list though.

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Yes, I wouldn't think it should be a priority.  Of course, setting up the curve in TrackIR is independent of the aircraft one is in, and so doesn't really stop me from moving outside the cockpit. The ability to adjust limits for each aircraft while setting up cameras so that one is kept in the cockpit would be very nice.  But you have a lot on your plate, and I think most people can live without that feature until you have more time for it.  
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Mavrocket posted some information on another topic which may be of some help to people experiencing jerky TIR ....
 
 
If I could maybe provide some help, I'd like to try. I too had problems with the stuttering and jumping using DHM or not in P3D but have found a fix to mine. I'm at work, so please excuse any references that aren't verbatim.
 
1. I initially started using the v5 software from NP, but then switched to v4, this seemed to help.

2. In the TrackIR profile settings, I copied the initial "Flight" profile and added a null zone to all axes of movement.
 
3. In the Opus configuration window, I set the TrackIR update speed to 20ms, and the next setting below (can't remember off the top of my head what it is) to 0.50 and the XYZ setting to 0.75.
 
With those settings and the setup, I now do not experience any TrackIR stuttering or jumping, even when my FPS dips way down into ~10 FPS range.
 
 
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