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TrackIR Interface BEFORE using the interface you MUST 'Check For Game Updates' within your TrackIR5 and ensure OpusFSX is listed in Titles under the Advanced Settings tab, then restart TrackIR. Prior to using the TrackIR5 device via OpusFSX you must ensure TrackIR5 does not directly connect to the FSX/P3D simulator. To accomplish this you MUST rename the two SimConnect manifest files within the TrackIR5 installation folder. The folder is usually located in either, c:\Program Files\NaturalPoint\TrackIR5 (Win 7 32-bit) BEFORE using the OpusFSX TrackIR5 interface you MUST rename the two manifest files, simconnect.manifest and simconnectSP2.manifest. We recommend renaming these files to simconnect_RENAMED.manifest and simconnectSP2_RENAMED.manifest. If you wish to revert back to using TrackIR without the OpusFSX interface then you will have to change these files back to their original names. Check your TIR manifest files after any TIR update, the TIR software can create new files after the upgrade. Do not copy SimConnect.dll to your root directory otherwise TrackIR will find it and connect directly to FSX instead of OpusFSX. Run TrackIR and FSX before running OpusFSX. Minimise the TrackIR program to prevent FPS loss. Ensure you have no other software packages running that create camera shake effects. Do not run any other program which controls the camera views or interfaces to TrackIR. Make sure no such program or subordinate task is running, do not allow any other program to connect to TrackIR prior to OpusFSX. TrackIR Tuning TrackIR effects must be tuned using the TrackIR program. TrackIR can be used with the default TrackClip, or it can be used with TrackClipPro. TrackClipPro has its own LED emitters and its setup is very different from TrackClip, refer to the TrackClip and TrackClipPro sections below. Make sure you have Video Processing Mode set to Precision or Standard with a Precision Mode Smoothing of 100. It has been brought to our attention that on some systems TrackIR can become very jerky if 'precision' is disabled, its default key assignment is F7 so it's possible to inadvertently change its setting if you use F7 to increase flaps. TrackClip We would advise initially setting the Speed to 1 and the Smoothness to 50. You should experiment on your system and set values your PC is happy with to avoid any jerky DHM movements. Use the test options within the DHM dialog to see what the DHM should look like on your system, then try taxiing up and down in windowed mode and adjust your TrackIR smoothness to give you the optimum effect. Make sure your Light Filter Threshold isn't set too high, try setting 70, and adjusting from there, with a max setting of 12 for your IR Brightness. Light pollution and an incorrect Light Filter Threshold setting are the number one main causes of flicker. TrackClipPro It has been reported (thanks Barry and Neil) that for TrackClipPro the Camera IR brightness should be zero and Light Filter Threshold should be set to a high value. The easiest way to get the correct settings is to click the TrackClipPro button in the TrackIR window and it will reset the Camera settings automatically. Troubleshooting TrackIR Flickering or Erratic Movement Problems arise when the light threshold is wrong. If it is too low, extraneous lightsources in the room will falsely trigger TIR into seeing that other lightsource as one of the TrackClipPro's beams. This causes all kinds of false head-rotation issues, which show up as flickering. The easiest way to solve the problem is to go into the TrackIR main view, right-click on the head-graph window, and choose Camera View, and then tweak the Light Threshold to a point where there is NO red 'false lightsources' visible anywhere during the full range of head movement. This can even change during the course of a day (depending on the intensity of reflected light from windows, eye glasses, items in the room etc.). Your IR brightness levels should be zero. Try selecting the old Trackclip momentarily and then re-select TrackClipPro, and this should clear the IR settings back to zero (off). The TrackClipPro does NOT require the camera to send out IR signals (which are normally reflected off the front of the old Trackclip for the camera to pick up). Instead, the TrackClipPro generates its own light beams directly (that's why it's connected by wire and powered) - but of course, the camera can still get confused if there are large alternate light sources in the room competing with it. Here is a handy little tip for fixing TrackIR jerkiness (reported by fiftysix), http://airdailyx.blogspot.co.uk/2012/09/spf100-track-ir-adx-tutorial.html Make sure you don't have any monitoring programs (e.g. FSUIPC autosave) running since they can cause TrackIR to become jerky. Try enabling the Run TrackIR High Priority option in the Server Configuration dialog if TrackIR is not operating smoothly. You may need to try different versions of the TrackIR drivers to get it working smoothly on your system. TrackIR will not Connect to OpusFSX If you update the TrackIR software remember to rename the two SimConnect manifest files within the TrackIR5 installation folder. Search your system and make sure there are no more manifest files located anywhere. Check your root directory and in fact search the entire PC for them. If TIR finds any manifest file it will not attempt to connect to Opus or anything else apart from the sim direct. Try running everything manually and don't use any automated method. Run TrackIR manually after FSX, then finally run FSXSERVER, in other words do not run TrackIR and FSXSERVER automatically via FSX or FSUIPC. OpusFSX TrackIR Settings Within OpusFSX set the TrackIR scan speed to 25 initially, the XYZ scaling to 1 and PBY scaling to 0.75. These can be adjusted on the fly from within the Configuration dialog. The TrackIR scan speed can be altered from 1ms to 60ms. If TrackIR is
jerky then adjust this setting (try 25-30) in conjunction with your TIR device
Speed and Smoothness settings to reach an optimum effect. If you set the scan
rate too high it stutters, if you set it too low it jumps.
The PBY setting should be adjusted in conjunction with the TIR device speed settings to determine the range of head movement and how far you can see behind you. The TrackIR interface can be toggled on/off within the Cameras dialog (Toggle TrackIR On/Off button), allowing camera configuration and editing with the TrackIR device either on or off. TrackIR
Operation TrackIR can be enabled or disabled for each camera view within Live Camera, this is useful for instance when you want to adjust the GPS via a small click spot, if TrackIR (and DHM) movement is frozen you can operate the click spot no matter how unsteady your head is. The TrackIR interface can be
toggled on/off within the Cameras dialog (Toggle TrackIR On/Off button),
allowing camera configuration and editing with the TrackIR device either
on or off. TrackIR Cockpit Limits To set up TrackIR cockpit limits refer to the OpusFSX_Live_Camera guide. N.B. Check your TIR manifest files after any TIR update, the TIR software can create new files after the upgrade which you will need to rename again (see above for details). |
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TrackIR 4 Users ...
Download and try the Natural Point 4.2.039 beta 1 driver. Apparently the version 5 driver does not give a smooth operation through our interface with the supplied NP SDK. http://www.naturalpoint.com/trackir/06-support/support-download-software-and-manuals.html Stephen |
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TrackIR 5 Users ... Cheryl reports with TrackIR 5 she had to revert back to a previous driver (version 5.0.300), to get the TIR device to work correctly on our older desktop. But the TIR device wouldn't work smoothly at all, jumping all over the place with current driver. Stephen |
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SkipperMac ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: October-05-2011 Location: UK Points: 195 |
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Any further info on this would be useful as my TrackIR is useless today - constantly flicks back to the start point for the camera for seemingly only 1 frame, but once or twice per second at worst. I haven't updated the TrackIR driver (unless it has done it behind my back), but 2.27 is unworkable just now. Curiously, it worked last night immediately after installing the beta... ![]() EDIT: Just checked my TrackIR 5 driver - 2.50.0.0 dated 16/11/2009 which Windows reckons is up to date?
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RCFlyer51 ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: August-09-2009 Location: United States Points: 145 |
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My TkIR was jumpy after loading 2.27, but, when I reduced the scan speed to 12 ms it smoothed right out. I believe 2.27 defaults to 18 ms each time you start it. If you readjust the scan speed after you start 2.27 I believe your TkIr will work well. I haven't found a way to make 2.27 save the 12 ms scan speed at this point. Danny
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vonduck ![]() Intermediate Group ![]() Joined: October-01-2012 Location: Huntly, NZ Points: 52 |
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Unfortunately after installing the 2.27 beta my TrackIR 5 does not work at all! I need to keep the latest driver as it is compatable with P3D
Is there going to be a fix for this soon? Cheers Doug |
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Opus Software ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: April-12-2012 Location: Grantham, UK Points: 15442 |
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First ... Nothing changed in 2.27, nothing at all to affect the TIR device.
Second ... The TIR interface simply reads the TIR raw data at your specified rate, scales the raw data, and sends it on to FSX via SimConnect. That is all ! If your TIR is jumping all over the place then open the TIR window and check what it is doing there. Close your curtains to prevent light polution. Get the right TIR driver installed. etc. On my main PC and laptop I had to install the very latest driver. On our lower performance PC we HAD to install the older driver (otherwise TIR was very erratic ... it did not interface to its OWN SDK correctly). People using TIR 4 have had to install driver version 4, others version 5. This is not my device I am just using the SDK sent to me from Natural Point and sometimes the TIR device wont even connect through its OWN SDK - nothing I can do about this. But I have it working flawlessly on three very different systems here, including a laptop and an old slow PC. Many others report flawless smooth operation with TIR5 and TIR4 but many had to tweak the settings and get the right NP driver. Once more ... I did not change anything in 2.27 ... and the TIR interface just relays what TIR sends to it, it does not make data up, just scales and relays the data sent from the device !!! Stephen
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vonduck ![]() Intermediate Group ![]() Joined: October-01-2012 Location: Huntly, NZ Points: 52 |
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Thanks Stephen,
I'll install the earlier TIR driver and see what it does... after all, the latest driver form TIR is still a beta :) Thanks for the reply and awesome product! Regards Doug |
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FoolCryptic ![]() New Member ![]() Joined: September-29-2012 Location: Scotland Points: 24 |
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Hi Doug,
My only problems with TIR were when i used it in conjunction with DHM. i was getting the spikes and overall jerkiness as if the two were fighting to centre themselves. A little messing around with the scan speed, XYZ and PBY settings soon brought that under control. At present i have a scan speed of 36ms, with both XYZ and PBY at 0.50 and it's working very well. Stephen |
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SkipperMac ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: October-05-2011 Location: UK Points: 195 |
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Ok, this is helpful to know, although everything is working fine in the TIR window and in FSX without Opus. I'll try it again later today when I get the chance and see if I can tweak some of the settings to make it useable again.
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Opus Software ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: April-12-2012 Location: Grantham, UK Points: 15442 |
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You could also try changing your driver.
It can only be either the raw data being fed through the NP SDK or problems with your SimConnect updates. Stephen
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SkipperMac ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: October-05-2011 Location: UK Points: 195 |
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TIR scan set to 12ms and everything's hunky-dorey!
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Harpic ![]() Intermediate Group ![]() Joined: April-04-2011 Points: 56 |
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I have reverted back to the last TIR stable driver (5.1.300), and now with Beta 2.28 TrackIR works perfectly.
I don't know if latest beta driver from NaturalPoint (5.2.0) is the problem with the jumps and initial setup. There is a problem with the configure window, not saving the TrackIR settings. In each startup always reverts back to 18 ms. This issue was also present in Beta 2.27. Regards, Harpic |
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Petermuc3 ![]() Intermediate Group ![]() Joined: October-11-2012 Points: 61 |
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First update today from 2.24 to 2.28 and TrackIR shows eratic moves; it was very smooth with 2.24. I did not change anything speed=0.5, smooth=35, enabled DHM.
Will try with different settings and TIR drivers, but something in respect to the TrackIR must have changed. Peter |
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vonduck ![]() Intermediate Group ![]() Joined: October-01-2012 Location: Huntly, NZ Points: 52 |
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I did some experiemnting today and all seems to work fione now...both TrackIR updated software (5.2) and the beta 2.28 update..
Like a drongo, every time i installed the TrackIR software it added 2 new simconnect entries in the Natural Point folder... my original two were there and dutifully renamed but of course the new entries were causing havoc as i hadn't renamed them!!! .. once renamed TrackIR worked fine... So i installed Opus (my original copy) and TrackIR with the new update.. it worked... as it had done originally... Then i installed the updated 2.28 Opus and found some frittering... i then adjusted my settings in Opus to Scan Speed 12 or 18... XYZ - 0.50...PBY - 0.50 My TrackIR settings are - Seth's Flight Speed - 1...Smooth - 50 With this setting it works well and does not jerk all over the place.... ![]() Hope that helps! Doug |
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Opus Software ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: April-12-2012 Location: Grantham, UK Points: 15442 |
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I have corrected the problem with saving the Configuration data and also added some optional arguments to the FSXTRACKIR program to allow users to see what raw data is being received and to disable the minimum raw data limits. These changes will be posted in the next beta update.
Stephen
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Petermuc3 ![]() Intermediate Group ![]() Joined: October-11-2012 Points: 61 |
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Having TrackIR4 I tried with softwareversion 4 but this made it even worse; so I reinstalled TrackIR software 5 and tried Doug's sugestions. It got a bit better but still quite some iitters.
I also noticed being on the ground with a/c not moving I have no problem to look around change views, but when I start to taxi the jittering begins. Peter |
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Opus Software ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: April-12-2012 Location: Grantham, UK Points: 15442 |
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Are you seeing the DHM camera shake or is your system just not coping.
The new beta will allow you to run the interface and monitor the TIR data just in case the TIR4 device is providing different raw data to the TIR5 device, but again, all the interface does is read the TIR raw data at the specified scan rate, scale it and send it to FSX via SimConnect. Nothing more than that. You could try running the new beta version with the TEST and NOLIMIT arguments specified. Stephen
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The new beta 2.28.1 has been posted. If you are experiencing problems with TrackIR you may like to try stopping the FSXTRACKIR program and running it with TEST and NOLIMIT arguments. For example, create a desktop shortcut and change the target properties to,
c:\OpusFSX\FSXTRACKIR.EXE TEST NOLIMIT The TEST argument will display the raw XYZ and PBY data values. You should be able to see the Yaw angle changing through -180 to 180 degrees as you rotate your head around. The NOLIMIT argument disables the mimimum raw data limit. If your FSX SimConnect interface is struggling to cope then I would expect the NOLIMIT should make the stutter worse, but you can try out the new program arguments. Regards Stephen |
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Petermuc3 ![]() Intermediate Group ![]() Joined: October-11-2012 Points: 61 |
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Stephen,
I reinstalled Opus, then installed Beta 2.28.1 no change. As soon as start to move the a/c I get eratic movements. And yes DHM is working on my PC i7 920 3Ghz, nVidia GTX460. Not sure how to do your above sugestion. Thanks Peter So, back to 2.24 and no jitters. Too bad I cannot use the new features. But I am sure you eventually get the things sorted out. Again thanks for your support; it is nevertheless a great product. |
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Opus Software ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: April-12-2012 Location: Grantham, UK Points: 15442 |
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Create a shortcut on your desktop for the FSXTRACKIR program and edit its properties. Try the suggestions above. That's all I can do for the moment. Nothing changed much since 2.24 just tweaks to the settings you can now adjust in Configuration, plus possible NOLIMIT imposed. There really is nothing else to change because the interface is quite straight forward. If NOLIMIT works best with other settings then I will provide a means to add parameters to the interface program by running it via a batch procedure.
Stephen. You are going to have to edit your Configuration and Weather settings again since the software is not designed to be forward compatible, not possible. |
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Opus Software ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: April-12-2012 Location: Grantham, UK Points: 15442 |
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The only thing I cannot test is TIR 4 since I have 5. What version of TIR driver are you using?
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Thanks Stephen,
I will try that. TIR4 with TIR5 driver; I tried TIR4 driver, made it even worse. It is really strange that everything is runing smooth with 2.24. Peter |
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2.24 just had either a 10 or 20ms scan rate but may not have had any limits applied and used 1.25 scale factors. Try NOLIMIT option with the above settings and everything will be the same.
Stephen |
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No luck
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Beta 2.28.1 works well in my system, with 5.1.300 driver for TIR 4.
I only have one VC camera configured, asigned to about one hundred aircrafts. Now I'll create more cameras to see if the problem is asociated with having too many cameras. Harpic |
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I have created 7 cameras assigned to multiple aircrafts, with different joystick buttons. No problems at the moment. The views are smooth with 18 ms and DHM effects on, and there isn't any problem at the load of the TIR interface.
I only have installed latest stable drivers (not beta drivers) from Naturalpoint (5.1.300). Using TrackIR 4, with a smooth of 25 and a speed of 1.3. Harpic |
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Opus Software ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: April-12-2012 Location: Grantham, UK Points: 15442 |
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Thanks for the feedback
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Using latest Beta (2.28.1) Trackir 4 with latest stable Trackir version 5 drivers (not Beta)
Have been through the whole range of Trackir drivers from Ver 4 to 5. Cannot manage to slow Trackir down when panning. Reducing speed settings in Trackir interface results in losing range of movement, when compensating for reduced speed settings with increased xyz/pby setting within Opus range of movement is regained but so is the manic speed with which Trackir wants to pan. Bryan. |
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Opus Software ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: April-12-2012 Location: Grantham, UK Points: 15442 |
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Thanks Bryan. I think you need to load and save a smooth or slow profile within TIR, you cannot do it by adjusting the scale or speed factors alone.
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Beta 2.28.1 is working perfectly for me using TrackIR 5.1.300
Have another cup of tea Stephen and Cheryl ![]() Norman
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Oh trust me, I have tried every single profile imaginable I have adjusted curves....speed settings...smooth settings till I could do it with my eyes shut. Maybe you could attach a copy of your Trackir profile so I could try that please. Bryan. |
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Opus Software ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: April-12-2012 Location: Grantham, UK Points: 15442 |
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Hi Bryan
With TrackIR disabled is your system able to render the Smooth Camera Transitions between camera views without any stutter, or show a smooth AHM movement again without any stutter. Try Smooth Camera Transition setting right up to 100 the max and make sure everything is smooth. Assuming the drivers are OK then I have a sneaking suspicion your system will not be able to show a smooth camera transition or AHM motion since FSX simply cannot cope or process the 6DOF updates smoothly enough. Stephen
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I updated my nvidianspector to 1.9.9.6 and reinstalled TrackIR driver 5.1.3 and it's going much better; still some eratic movements from time to time. My invidiainspector is set as per PMDG recomendation and I use REXE and shade for textures, maybe there is something there to be tweaked but I am not proficiant enough to do that. By the way I tested camera transition at 100 and 64; very smooth but nearly no difference in time. Also no difference when I us FSXTRACKIR NOLIMIT. I am not totally happy but happ
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Opus Software ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: April-12-2012 Location: Grantham, UK Points: 15442 |
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There will be very little difference between 64 and 100 with PMDG. It is as I expected, the transition speed and smoothness is all to do with FSXs ability to process the 6DOF requests, the PMDG aircraft sim removes much of the processing from FSX, as opposed to other aircraft sims, leaving more time for FSX to process the requests and resulting in a smoother and faster transition between camera views.
I am not sure there is much else I can do, the FSXTRACKIR prog has a very simple function, read TIR raw data at the specified scan rate, scale it and send it to FSX via 6DOF requests. Is the TIR smoother with a 6ms scan time or with something like 20 or 40ms? Stephen |
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Hi Peter
I will modify the next beta to allow the scan time to be adjusted all the way down to 1ms, just in case if it is better at 6ms. Stephen |
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Last test was done with QW Avro; I use the PMDG recommended settings for nvidiainspector for all a/cs. Hard to notice the difference between 6 and 20ms scan time. I need to try that again.
But somehow there must be a difference between 2.24 and 2.28.1 on how TIR is handled on my computer. All settings the same 2.24 smooth, 2.28.1 smoot with eratic movements from time to time. Peter |
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It may be a faster scan time. Wait until next beta and try setting 1ms.
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I will see about posting a new beta within the hour for you to try.
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OK beta version 2.28.2 posted, with a bit of luck a 1ms scan time will suit your TIR4 device, hopefully it has been overwriting the raw data before I can scan it. Fingers crossed.
Stephen
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