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I will give it some thought. It shouldn't matter about leaving all the airways in since they won't be identified as Nav aids or waypoint fixes. So you can leave them in.

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Hi everyone, just to say following the advice above, especially Hermans, I've flown my regular route EGCC to EDLP @FL330 in my NGX. Using the PMDG Navigraph path gave me a string of metar stations some of which reported no metar.
EHAM is about half way so I used that stations cruise altitude wind for my FMC input. So all working well for me too.
Unfortunately I didn't save my metars or route waypoints so I can't say which stations were reporting or not.
Is there a simple explanation why some stations arn't reporting. Just wondering that's all......
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That's OK.

Not all the met stations in the global list submit METARs all of the time, there are also some suspected obsolete met stations still in the global list. What I have done is look at the nearest three listed met stations in the hope that one of them will be reporting weather. Previously I had removed the non reporters but decided to leave them in for the moment but mark them as NO METAR. I may remove them again in a future beta if they prove to be annoying.

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Simple enough!
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Slightly picky I know but;

Is there any way you can 'sort' the fligth plan weather report in distance order?
I have currently

1. EGBB 0.6nm
2. KQCY RAF Benson, 55NM....hmmm ICAO does not look correct...will check
3. EGUB Benson RAF 55nm....OK something not correct here I think
4. EGUD Abingdon 49nm
5. LFOS Vitterfleur/st. V, 181nm
6. LFOH LE HAvre/octebvil, 188nm
7. EGKA Shoreham by sea 111nm
8. LSGG Geneva/cointrin 482

My route is EGBB > LIMC
COWLY UN615 XAMAB UL612 MILPA UM135 MOBLO/N0410F250 UM135 TOP/0215

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KQCY...wrong one for this flight


Airport Information: RAF BENSON (USA-MIL)

Time29-05-2013 16:59:59 (UTC)
ICAOKQCY
IATAN/A
Elevation217 '
MapsKQCY map
KQCY mobile Map ?
Coordinates
N 5137'0"  W 15'0" low res!
Sunrise03:51 UTC
Sunset20:11 UTC
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This one is correct:

RAF BENSON, ICAO: EGUB, IATA: BEX

They are all correct, see below.
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The coordinates for RAF Benson ARE in the UK. It is called RAF Benson after all and is only 1.5 degrees west !

It clearly has two entries in the global met station list, one for the RAF and one for the US military. They are even listed at the same distance 55nm !

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KQCY ...

This IS another ICAO code for a met office at RAF Benson in ENGLAND. The ICAO simply identifies it as part of the USA Military, but with its office located at RAF Benson in England, it is therefore at the same location as EGUB RAF Benson. The US simply use a K code for their ICAO codes.

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The listed stations are sorted in the order of the specified flight plan, that makes it easier to follow.

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As I mentioned above, the software currently includes the three nearest met stations, whether still active or not, to each Nav aid or waypoint fix. Some of these are listed in the global met station list even though they are not currently active. I have included the stations even though no METAR has been located for them, in such cases I have added the NO METAR tag.

The three sites, two of them at RAF Benson (one RAF and one US MIL) and one at Abingdon are clearly associated with the first Nav point in the flight plan. Hence, they ARE correct and should have been included.

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Roger that

thanks Stephen
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I uploaded to the latest BETA and loaded up at KPHX. I copied the route in of TBDDP LCH J2 IAH J86 ELP J50 SSO KOOLY4 for the flight between KMSY-KPHX. It did recognize my PMDG navdata folder in the correct location. I forced a weather update. But the reports weather window was still empty?

It states it's reading for METARS but the waypoints in flightplans such as VOR's like ALB,LAS, can't be read as METARS unless they have their region identifier in front such as KALB,KLAS.

What step did I miss?
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Just flown the reverse of my earlier flight EDLP to EGCC. This time using the FSX/Navigraph instead of the PMDG navigraph, I also this time entered the full route string with the airways included. On my first flight I just used the waypoints without the airways. I'm pleased to report that all went well just as in my flight out. Opus picked up the metar stations along the route just fine. Some of them don't report for reasons given by Stephen in one of the above posts so that is not an issue. I again was able to use the EHAM metar report to input my cruise level wind into the NGX's FMC. So both navdata modules tried and tested and working as planned. I can now use Opus to input the cruise wind and the descent winds as well as the QNH at the destination all into the NGX FMC. Another basic question what is the ISA temp that the FMC requests in the descent profile. I feel I should know this, but I am only a humble flight simmer and not a RW pilot.
Please can you only give polite answers to my humble question. LOL
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Hi russianspd

First locate your Navdata folder, you will know its extracted the Nav data because the NADAIDS.DAT and WAYPOINTS.DAT files will be created in the OpusFSX folder.

Once you know that you have decoded the Nav data, enter your flight plan an update the weather.

I believe your flight plan should start and end with a station's ICAO code. That is it should be entered in the form,

<origin> <nav aids and waypoint fixes> <destination>

The software ignores all identifiers that are not listed as Nav aids and waypoints, so you can include the airways.

Your departure and destination points are required in order for the software to identify the specific Nav aid or waypoint since many of them have shared names. So make sure you specify your origin and destination ICAO codes.

Stephen

Your flight plan should have been entered as,

KMSY TBDDP LCH J2 IAH J86 ELP J50 SSO KOOLY4 KPHX
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Hi Phil

I think there is a description of the ISA temp usage in the Boeing 737 documentation that accompanies the 737 NGX.

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The nav and waypoints.dat are created. And entering in the departure and arrival airport codes solved it.

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Your flight plan should have been entered as,

KMSY TBDDP LCH J2 IAH J86 ELP J50 SSO KOOLY4 KPHX

knowing the origin and destination is the only way to automatically select the correct nav aid or waypoint when there are more than one to choose from. The software does this by assuming it has to minimise the distance travelled.

Stephen

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Of course the origin, destination and fixes can be defined as Lat Lon fixes, but we are still testing that side of things. So the origin and destination do not need to have ICAO codes.
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I may look into incorporating some form of automation here. The LWE knows where you are if the aircraft is on the ground and it could read the Destination entry in the weather dialog. I am trying to do it so it doesn't have to ask any questions. But its got to be fool proof in the end and not too complex.

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Alpha117, good to see you over here as well as the ProATCX forums. Cutting in on the conversation with a relevant question.

Stephen, when inputting the route is it valid to include jetways or should the route plan consist of only waypoints?
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You can include jetways, they should not conflict at all since they will not be recognised as Nav aids or waypoints, the LWE will simply ignore them. Just make sure the flight plan contains the point of origin and your destination, well for now at least.

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Wanted to say thanks for getting everything sorted and running with the planning assistance. Including the reports text later on should be a nice addition.

Also wanted to apologize if my previous posts seemed a bit stand offish. Reading back through the initial post seemed to have come off rather brash.
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Hi EdwardS read my post just above, I've entered the jetways as you mention and Opus generates the metar stations spot on. I've tried it both ways with and without jetways and they both work just fine. Which is good because it makes it a doddle to copy and paste your route in its entirety straight into the box
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Works fine here too now using the latest version of Opus and pointing to the Navdata folder under the PMDG folder.

One question and sorry if it has already been answered and I overlooked it but is there any chance we might see the actual VORs, NDBs and fixes in the enroute weather report rather than airports in close vicinity to the waypoints in a later version?

Would make it much easier if you want to put the info into the FMC.

And one more thing that would be great, if you could have an average wind component for your entire route.
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Also something I found with AS Navdata pro, if you download airac for Digital Aviation Piper Cheyenne for fsx, it creates a Navigraph folder in FSX. just thought I would share that bit of trivia with you all.
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One more thing I've been thinking about, considering all the time and hard work put into all new versions of Opus all the time I would be happy to pay some kind of "update fee" making Opus more sophisticated for every version.

If I were the developer I think I would come to a point eventually where I would have felt the development was more of implementing new stuff rather than fixing issues in an already released version and at that point I think it's fair to ask your customers for some kind of update fee.
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Quote One question and sorry if it has already been answered and I overlooked it but is there any chance we might see the actual VORs, NDBs and fixes in the enroute weather report rather than airports in close vicinity to the waypoints in a later version? 
 
They will all be shown in the OpusFlightReport text file but the Opus weather reports are just providing useful weather reports from nearby met stations since there are no METARs associated with nav points. I might be able to show the nav point they are associated with in the report window.
 
Quote And one more thing that would be great, if you could have an average wind component for your entire route.
 
Again that is something that would be within the text file report.
 
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That sounds great, thanks Stephen!
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New Beta Version 3.03.2 has been posted with many improvements (I hope), please refer to the Announcements.
 
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Originally posted by russianspd russianspd wrote:

Wanted to say thanks for getting everything sorted and running with the planning assistance. Including the reports text later on should be a nice addition.

Also wanted to apologize if my previous posts seemed a bit stand offish. Reading back through the initial post seemed to have come off rather brash.
 
No apology needed russianspd we didn't take anything the wrong way.
 
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I have a question, I have the pmdg 737 but let's say I wanted to use a default plane with a default flightplan, what do we do then? Will it not work that way since I'm not using an fmc?
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The Navdata does not care what plane you are flying. The Navdata is a global source of navigation data including definitions of all navigation aids such as VOR stations, and navigation waypoints. It is independent of any aircraft type and so can be used with anything.

You just identify where there is a source of this navigation data, normally provided by Navigraph, on your system. These text files containing lists of all the Nav points will be held in an appropriate Navdata folder on most systems that have aircraft needing this data. For example aircraft employing FMCs.

So it does not matter what aircraft you are flying, it has no relation to any specific aircraft. The navigation points around the globe are the same for everyone, they are global.

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In one of my previous posts in this thread I have explained that I have used the PMDG navdata for the NGX and the FSX/ navdata for the NGX. They both supply the same info into the text box and the enroute info. If you arn't using an aircraft with a complex FMC then the cruise winds along your route arn't of much use to you, unless you are using a complex fuel planner that needs the cruise winds.
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Just wanted to say thank you for the latest version, really great to have the winds for the enroute waypoints when you're about to program the FMC!
 
I have weather updates disabled at startup. After I manually press the update button after entering my route etc will also the enroute waypoint keep getting updated along my route?
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You are just one step ahead of me at the moment.

I think the Cruise wind target displayed in the report is just for the current position at the moment (I will have to check). All the upper wind and temp info will of course be included within the planned OpusFlightReport.txt file.

However, I will see what I can do about the 'Cruise' wind target for the actual location of the nav point in the next beta.

The two bottom lines will remain showing the current wind and temp targets along with the actual ambient temp and TAT inside the sim. These are intended to allow people to monitor how the sim is performing at that moment in time. But the Cruise XXX/XX wind should reflect the expected upper wind at your cruise altitude at the Nav point's location.

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Hi Stephen, at the moment I'm enroute EGCC to LEMG just crossing the northern coast of Spain. My metar reporting stations covers 3 pages and at each station it reports the cruise wind as being the same 348/56 -50'.
So what you are saying about it being the wind at the current location sounds right.
In the FSI server flight plan options screen I have the origin flight plan including airways and destination codes all displaying correctly and below that the identified navigation points all showing with their corresponding lon and lat and type. Very nice. When I go to the flight plan enroute weather reports each station is showing with its type civ/mil ect and the distances from my position are updating nicely there a associated waypoint is indicated too. All very nice.
It's coming along well. We need that average cruise wind sorting now, I would say. For the FMC input at the beginning of the flight, while still on the ground.
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I will see about extracting the expected Cruise wind and temp at the actual location of the Nav point next then go on from there. I also have to cross reference all the Met stations ready for creating the flight plan report. The report can show expected weather, winds, and temps at each Nav point along with average wind and temp. The exact content will no doubt evolve over time and several betas.

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Hey,

I did a flight from JFK-ATL and got the wind info and all which was great but I still have the nagging problem of getting the wrong runway assigned for landing. The winds at ATL were out of 130 while the static winds were 240 and the winds aloft were 290. I was given runway 28 to land and I did with a tail wind. Anyway this can be fixed? The static winds for each reporting location according to the flight plan was 130-100 which would have been great but the static winds at ATL just didn't get the memo.
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That is something different from what we are doing here at the moment. I think I have explained the reasons for this happening within FSX in another recent topic. I have an idea I am going to try out which might help FSX get it right but have not had time to implement it and test it yet.

Your runway was assigned using the Staic winds. I have already explained this just recently. It is the Static winds that are injected, to stop FSX falling apart at the seams, and the real winds are only injected after they are recovered.

Its not a case if getting the memo. FSX has limitations that must be accommodated and while Static winds are injected these are the only surface winds that exist until it is safe to inject the real varied surface winds again. I have already said I have an idea that might help but need time to implement and check it.

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Originally posted by Petabread2 Petabread2 wrote:

Hey,

I did a flight from JFK-ATL and got the wind info and all which was great but I still have the nagging problem of getting the wrong runway assigned for landing. The winds at ATL were out of 130 while the static winds were 240 and the winds aloft were 290. I was given runway 28 to land and I did with a tail wind. Anyway this can be fixed? The static winds for each reporting location according to the flight plan was 130-100 which would have been great but the static winds at ATL just didn't get the memo.

What is your recovery altitude setting? Sounds like it didn't switch off of static.
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