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Originally posted by Avidean Avidean wrote:

LOL Did I say Tuesday! I meant Thursday.
Probably after dark!Big smile



Originally posted by Avidean Avidean wrote:

Well the cue-ball is as good a candidate for being the Anti-Christ as anyone else but apparently now my PSU is arriving tomorrow which is Wednesday.LOL I'm compelled to give him the benefit of the doubt!LOL 



When you get your sh*t together, let us know.. everyone right now is  









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Banana's incoming!




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My wife say's everyday around here is Christmas for me!LOL
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Um...  How's that new Lexus she got out of all this, running? Big smile
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I know you guys are all jealous!LOL



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Ok, So I should have this thing in single rail mode? Right?

Once its installed I don't think I can reach the switch.
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Do you need to ask at this point Private Pyle? LOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOL



Jealous of what? 

I have 2 860 digital platinum PSU's that in a situation where I may find myself a bit short  with my banana..  I can double my banana's size (both ways LOL) in a heartbeat without having to order another one and wait. 

Its called..   a backup. Big smile

Or..  can be added to the system if needed for 1,720 digital platinum watts if ever needed.

and I can always reach her switch   LOL


Goil's and computer systems..  love that   Tongue



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Don't have a cow if you still get failures..   we are not there yet.

As I said earlier in the thread this new PSU is to eliminate a long standing issue with your past systems so as changes may be suggested and made with the new one, no one including yourself, is chasing their tails anymore. Big smile





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LOL That's Hilarious!

Well I plugged it in and turn it on and it didn't blow up, so I'm off to a good start.
I put the PSU in Single rail mode. I still have to reflash the bios (0607).
I suppose I don't need to test the sticks individually off line again.
After I make dinner for my wife I'll get on with it.

One thing I don't like about that PSU is that PCI-e cables have two 2-6 pin connectors daisy chained on the GPU end. I wouldn't mind if I could just one one cable for both 8 pin sockets but apparently that's not a good idea?
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It seem to be even worse:


I'll flash the bios and re-install windows
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Sticks were tested individually and passed. You are past that. 

Reset CMOS clean and start clean as outlined..  and reflash 0607 to be sure

don't load setup defaults (you actually did that with F3), so this time just F3 and setup XMP and other elements as needed, F10 save/exit.


Lexus and dinner? Gee, must be Christmas somewhere Big smile


Typically for the 8pin PCIe video on modern PSU's you have 2 flying pins on the PCIe video cable that for cards with 6pin + 8pin will use. The floating end wires are not needed for the 6pin side but are wired correctly to work on the 8pin side. If your card is two 8pin then you should simply use the floating pins from 2 PCIe video cables to plug in based on the 6 pin portion of the connection notched and fitted correctly plus the additional 2 on the same cable provided.

How these PSU's that were made before mainstream 3x cards hit the market is probably going to be ported using a converter cable until all the PSU companies retool and redesign directly for that power output requirement..   probably next year sometime. 




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Ah gezuz    

I just saw the post above


how the hell can you go from being involved with making dinner to flashing a BIOS, setup and working with a system in under TWENTY MINUTES??

What are you doing... shoving chips, soda and microwave sh*t down her throat and calling it dinner???  LOLLOLLOL

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Confirm your BIOS settings for DRAM voltage 1.50, VCCIO/VCCSA @ 1.180 and then pull 2 sticks of memory.. Also turn off HT

refer to the motherboard manual for 2 stick operation... and retest
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OK, I've done all of that.

I now have enough left over parts to have a second system up and running which is what I'm on now.

Memtest is chuggin away on the other system with HT off and just the 2 sticks in and all bios setting checked. It's at around 150% with now errors so it fairing a lot better.

I'm having Deja Vu here! Cry

I used 16 threads this time for 16gb as apposed to 32 threads for the 32gb.
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We may need some of those other parts to do some testing because something doesn't jive here and we know the power supply is in fact clean.

So now..  Reinstall all sticks and raise VCCIO and VCCSA to 1.20/1.20

If that fails then reset VCCIO/VCCSA back to 1.180 and reduce memory speed to 3600

Retest.




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OK! I'm at about 700% with zero errors on two sticks. So that's done.
I'll run the above over night.
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Well after just about 60 seconds with VCCIO and VCCSA to 1.20/1.20





Trying 3600mhz now

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Keep in mind that although we all thought that memory was exactly the same as the Asus QVL disco light version, there may be an incompatibility with this board. I know GSkill QVL says it is compatible. 

I could have been burned the same way making that assumption if that happens to turn out to be the case. It was logical. 

Still, lets not go there yet.. still got stuff up my sleeve to check

Lets see what happens @ 1.180/1.180 DDR4 3600

But I will say this, when I see a PSU rail running far higher than spec even if it is still within certain tolerance, to me it is a indicator that the PSU rail senses a current draw that in order to provide must increase voltage on that rail. And regardless, a 2009 PSU design does not belong in a modern computer system so at least now we are not chasing tails.


You may be dealing with a VRM on the motherboard and the 32GB slots populated.. and based on the next result I can provide a test outline to check that. 


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Well the overnight test gave zero errors at @ 1.20/1.20 DDR4 3600 It ran up to about 900%
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I will post an outline in PM for you to setup to override the automated system and see if we can get those sticks back up to speed. 

Please take a screenshot for me and post it first.. 

Post a screenshot with the system under a OCCT:CPU load showing the latest version HW Monitor x64 list...  just a few minutes into the test nothing long in time so I can see where everything is right now.
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Oh, That's very kind of you. Thanks for going to that trouble.
I'll do that right now. memtest is still running at 3600 at 1.180v
It's 300 to 400% with zero errors so I guess that is sufficent.
OCCT screen shot on the way.
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Well comparing that screen shoot with the shot I took with the old PSU in I can see the difference. I know this one has HT off and the previuos one has HT on bit the VID voltages under load with the old PSU where up to 1.4X

Lesson learned. Hope I did close the barn door after the horse already bolted.Dead
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I'm not kind..  I'm a mean bastard that is here to get you through boot camp and into flight school Big smile


Yea that 3.3v now looks good and yea, there is a possibility that PSU was spanking the system. 

I do not see any reason for a voltage issue causing a single core clock to run unstable other than some kind of memory controller shortage or damage issue.


I see something else too..   not sure if its the BIOS running a automated change but that tRFC appears somewhat low compared to the default on the disco light version of the sticks. That could indicate those sticks are wound differently than the others in 2nd and 3rd timings and indicate a clue. I can get with one of the original clockers and have them roll me a timing list if it comes down to that but I would prefer not mess with memory timing manually other than a few small areas.


OK let see what we can come up with. I need some time to put it together.. pretty simple, just follow the bouncing ball.
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Yes Sir! Mean Old Bastard! Sir!Stern Smile
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Ho-Lee-sh*t... 



PYLE...  

RICHARD, MINION


You graduated.  



Change your forum signature as such.

Grab your banana and report to Captain Jack Meholf at NAS Fallon.

Lord help us all... You're going to flight school.



Try not to kill yourself -*again*- Pyle.

 ...or anyone else for that matter. Big smile

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We found his 5.3/5.0 8086K video..    going to use it from now on in boot camp



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Then there was the RMA on the 8086K motherboard on the same sh*t PSU where the memory controller was trash, again...









And then the Millennial/GenZ controlled by Intel and cheap bastard: "I saved a few hundred bucks" internal watt locked and voltage locked 10700K proc on the same sh*t PSU and a new motherboard..


You will see him briefly, the bag behind the plane..



(no, that's not a body)




and that old PSU memory controller damage problem ain't quite over yet but at least he's in flight school now @5.1, coming up on a possible 5.2 and not crashing anymore. 
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Hard to tell for sure right now where he might end up in memory speed/timing but I think he may have pulled the plug just in time or he wouldn't be as far as he is at this point.



If it wasn't for this memory controller problem he would already know if he going to be running 5.2 and finishing up on the HT enable profiles by now. LOL  





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