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NickN ![]() Certified Professional ![]() Joined: November-21-2007 Points: 21104 |
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NickN ![]() Certified Professional ![]() Joined: November-21-2007 Points: 21104 |
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Don't know if it will help you but here is a link to the PDF for the guide in the forum |
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Fly happy ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: October-10-2012 Location: Sweden Points: 1053 |
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Thanks, I'm gonna follow that outline and I'll report back. Still waiting for parts here.
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NickN ![]() Certified Professional ![]() Joined: November-21-2007 Points: 21104 |
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The 850 will probably be just fine since its 80+ Platinum but keep this in mind. There have been rumor mills about this but it just got dumped online
Of course that is their top dog card, but still.. the others can't be too far behind. Might be better to spend the extra 20-25 bucks for the HX1000watt if you intend to throw down the gauntlet and grab their top end 2080ti replacement, which is suppose to have like 20-24GB of video memory too. (at least that's what I have read) ![]() This just got dumped out there and there is still nothing in stone.. the 850 is probably just fine being a 80+ platinum but thought I would let you know. |
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Fly happy ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: October-10-2012 Location: Sweden Points: 1053 |
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This time it seems it's not just a simple performande update from Nvidia...lots of guesswork and assumptions online. 12-pin connector and what not. And yeah, I'm planning to get the replacement card for the 2080Ti, the RTX3090 or whatever it's gonna be called. Anyways, changing to a HX1000 will be about 100 dollars more plus shipping to return my HX850 because I bought it for a bargain during a sale earlier this month. I think I'll settle with that it's probably gonna be fine. And if I need to get that 1000 I can use the HX850 for the next build which would likely be for my son, within a couple of years.
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W10 Pro, 10900K, ROG Maximus XII Hero, ASUS TUF GeForce RTX 3090 24GB Gaming OC, GSKILL F4-4000C15Q-32GTZR, Corsair H150i RGB PRO XT, Fractal Design 7XL, Corsair HX850 |
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NickN ![]() Certified Professional ![]() Joined: November-21-2007 Points: 21104 |
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Being the 80+ Platinum, I think it wll be fine. I just wanted to give you a heads up
I do not know if they are going to ship those cards with the proper adapter which I understand is 2 PCIe ports, except wired differently? So keep that in mind too.
and 100 bucks more? wow, you guys really get worked over at the border there! Sorry about that.
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Fly happy ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: October-10-2012 Location: Sweden Points: 1053 |
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I got the HX850 for the equivalent of 160 dollars during that sale and the HX1000 is about 260 dollars, but appears to be out of stock. Normal price for the HX850 is about 230 dollars.
I sure hope there's some adapter being supplied with the cards if they need one.
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Hans
W10 Pro, 10900K, ROG Maximus XII Hero, ASUS TUF GeForce RTX 3090 24GB Gaming OC, GSKILL F4-4000C15Q-32GTZR, Corsair H150i RGB PRO XT, Fractal Design 7XL, Corsair HX850 |
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Fly happy ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: October-10-2012 Location: Sweden Points: 1053 |
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I was thinking about installing Windows 10 on one partition only and would like to prevent Windows 10 to create partitions on it's own, unless it comes with some disadvantages so I thought I would ask if it's the right thing to do?
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Hans
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NickN ![]() Certified Professional ![]() Joined: November-21-2007 Points: 21104 |
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Unless you need bitlocker or other encryption features I don't see a problem with installing single partition.
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Fly happy ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: October-10-2012 Location: Sweden Points: 1053 |
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No need for Bitlocker here.
I seem to remember you said something before about NVMe drives should boot off UEFI Windows 10. So I should probably install Windows 10 to a GPT partition, after following these settings recommended by Intel? I did some reading about the GPT partition which seems to be associated with UEFI,and someone claimed you gotta have atleast 2 partitions in which one has to be EFI or System Reserved partition of minimum 100MB and another one is Primary Partition for Windows Folder...
This is getting complicated and I'm probably just overthinking stuff. And here they say FOUR partitions will be created (Step 14) https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/1950-clean-install-windows-10-a.html |
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Hans
W10 Pro, 10900K, ROG Maximus XII Hero, ASUS TUF GeForce RTX 3090 24GB Gaming OC, GSKILL F4-4000C15Q-32GTZR, Corsair H150i RGB PRO XT, Fractal Design 7XL, Corsair HX850 |
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NickN ![]() Certified Professional ![]() Joined: November-21-2007 Points: 21104 |
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Yes, for full speed and support NVMe absolutely requires GPT partition, no way around that. Typical SSD or mechanical do not. With a unallocated provision space set by the drive software for performance and maintenance, you could end up with 4 including recovery and EFI system, possibly a small 8G block unallocated too.
I would just make sure it is the only drive in the system when Windows is installed so nothing is installed away from the drive itself on another drive. There is probably a NVMe support setting and well as the EUFI settings in the BIOS too under drives and/or under BOOT |
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Here you go...try and beat the price. |
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Fly happy ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: October-10-2012 Location: Sweden Points: 1053 |
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Yeah, not making the same mistake again with having multiple drives connected when installing Windows
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W10 Pro, 10900K, ROG Maximus XII Hero, ASUS TUF GeForce RTX 3090 24GB Gaming OC, GSKILL F4-4000C15Q-32GTZR, Corsair H150i RGB PRO XT, Fractal Design 7XL, Corsair HX850 |
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NickN ![]() Certified Professional ![]() Joined: November-21-2007 Points: 21104 |
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Your BIOS must be setup correctly before the Windows install.
OS Type [Windows UEFI mode] perhaps reads like that in your BIOS
I can not tell you where or what to look for exactly in your BIOS without researching you motherboard and manual as they can vary however what you saw in the link you posted looks right. Compare that with the motherboard manual outline for NVMe. There may be some kind of "NVMe" boot device support setting somewhere or if they have gotten past that and auto detect it, such a setting may not exist. Could read something like: AMI Native NVMe Driver Support and you want that: [Enabled] From there go to the Windows install.. it should outline GPT by default. If not make sure that is so. Now, sometimes a driver is required if the drive can not be found. (I doubt that will happen in this case) In a case like that you may need to download the driver for the drive from the manufacture website and browse using the 'ADD DRIVER" option at the partition Window. And last. Just make sure before any other driver goes in after Windows is installed the "chipset driver" is first and reboot, after that its open season. The chipset driver can set the correct chipset register for all other drivers to recognize, that is why the most recent official chipset driver always goes in, first.
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Fly happy ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: October-10-2012 Location: Sweden Points: 1053 |
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Thanks Nick. I think things will get a bit clearer when I have access to the BIOS. Anyways, I thought you might like a picture of the build in it's current state. I think I will be able to fire it up tomorrow.
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Hans
W10 Pro, 10900K, ROG Maximus XII Hero, ASUS TUF GeForce RTX 3090 24GB Gaming OC, GSKILL F4-4000C15Q-32GTZR, Corsair H150i RGB PRO XT, Fractal Design 7XL, Corsair HX850 |
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NickN ![]() Certified Professional ![]() Joined: November-21-2007 Points: 21104 |
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Very nice! I see you will be doing a little custom cut there, right up your alley!
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Fly happy ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: October-10-2012 Location: Sweden Points: 1053 |
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Yeah, I dropped the VRM temperature with about 15-20C on the X79 Sabertooth with a case mod like that plus a 120 mm fan behind the CPU back plate so I'm repating the process on this build. I have a spare 120 mm lying on the shelf here so I'm gonna fit it behind the CPU backplate on this build too. Not sure how much that 120 mm helps but since I have it I guess I can try and see if it makes a difference.
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Hans
W10 Pro, 10900K, ROG Maximus XII Hero, ASUS TUF GeForce RTX 3090 24GB Gaming OC, GSKILL F4-4000C15Q-32GTZR, Corsair H150i RGB PRO XT, Fractal Design 7XL, Corsair HX850 |
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NickN ![]() Certified Professional ![]() Joined: November-21-2007 Points: 21104 |
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Honestly I can't say if the fan behind the CPU would actually help. In my mind I don't see the need but I have never experimented with something like that so you may be ahead of the curve on that one, but the rest.. nailed it!
![]() One thing I would suggest and this may not be as much of a factor to you because of your geographical location and the typical ambient temps, but I have always opted for a video card that expels heat out of the tower through a shotgun (get it out), over these 2-3 fan open face video card coolers that tend to disperse heat everywhere. To me, those are fine for a typical tower but for a tower that is intended for clocking performance, get the heat out and make sure it can not recirculate. You don't want any more heat rising and hitting the HSF or a radiator.. pump it out the back
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Fly happy ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: October-10-2012 Location: Sweden Points: 1053 |
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Well we're gonna know if I cut a hole in a perfectly fine side panel for no reason when I have made some compare runs with OCCT with and without that 120 mm fan
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Hans
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NickN ![]() Certified Professional ![]() Joined: November-21-2007 Points: 21104 |
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Well then, please.. let me know! I like learning new things!
![]() I can sort of see it with a standard heatsink. It will dissipate some heat through the solid backplate mount itself but with a liquid cooler head, I don't see that happening. But do have fun and do let me know the result of the experiment
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Fly happy ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: October-10-2012 Location: Sweden Points: 1053 |
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Yes sure, I will let you know if it makes a difference.
Haven't finished the build yet but it's close. I'll copy the contents of the motherboard DVD to a USB flash drive because there's no DVD player in my new build. Just thought I would ask if the bible instructions about installing the drivers from the motherboard DVD first, and then update them if needed from the Asus website are still valid? I got a little confused when you mentioned the most recent official chipset driver goes in first, and that driver might not be on the DVD. |
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W10 Pro, 10900K, ROG Maximus XII Hero, ASUS TUF GeForce RTX 3090 24GB Gaming OC, GSKILL F4-4000C15Q-32GTZR, Corsair H150i RGB PRO XT, Fractal Design 7XL, Corsair HX850 |
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NickN ![]() Certified Professional ![]() Joined: November-21-2007 Points: 21104 |
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Ah yes, the old DVD chipset driver gotcha.. yes, I think that would be best.
When I wrote that thread over 7 years ago I had run into that situation so many over the years I made a standard procedure to install the chipset driver from the DVD/CD first, then update it to the latest. It eliminated any guesswork or possible issues. I have noticed the quality of the installers have been better over recent years however you are right, to be sure of ignition without any gotcha's, run the disk chipset driver first, then after reboot update it. Good catch, nice to see someone reads and retains!
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NickN ![]() Certified Professional ![]() Joined: November-21-2007 Points: 21104 |
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Let me clarify something..
When it comes to this subject today, run the chipset installer from the DVD/CD and also check to see if there is any other driver listed on the disk that is not listed at the website, and if there is then install that too, however, from that point forward I think it will be just fine to install the lasted download version from the support site, including any tools you may want/need and skip the disk, but don't forget your monitor driver and remember every time a video driver gets installed/reinstalled the monitor driver must typically be reinstalled as well. DISK = Chipset yes, any other driver not listed at site, yes... everything else updated version. |
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Fly happy ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: October-10-2012 Location: Sweden Points: 1053 |
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Much appreciated, Nick.
I install Windows maybe once or twice in a decade so it's not easy to remember how it's done. And then there's sometimes the OS which have been updated in between. I have a feeling though, that now when my son is getting older I might need to install Windows a bit more frequently since there's basically two gamers in the house now
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Fly happy ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: October-10-2012 Location: Sweden Points: 1053 |
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Okay so I'm browsing the ASUS website.
https://www.asus.com/Motherboards/ROG-MAXIMUS-XII-HERO-WI-FI/HelpDesk_Download/ The downloads under Chipset are: 1. Version 1952.14.0.1470 2020/05/11 Intel(R) Management Engine Interface V1952.14.0.1470 for Windows 10 64-bit.(WHQL) 2. Version 10.1.18295.8201 2020/05/11 Intel(R) Chipset Software Installation Utility V10.1.18295.8201 for Windows 10 64-bit.(WHQL) 3. Version 10.1.18295.8201 2020/04/24 Intel Chipset Driver Support 19H1/19H2 So out of curiosity which one of these is the actual chipset driver since they are all categorized under chipset? I have downloaded and compared 2. and 3. which are very similar in folder structure and contents so my guess would be 2. is an updated version of 3. What's odd about that, is that they kept the same version number... And I think I'm just gonna copy and paste the File list of the drivers on the DVD below so you can see what they call them. I've removed the Audio, VGA, Marvell, RAID, BT, WIFI and LAN-drivers, bloatware and what not. ====================================================================================== File Name Description -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -Chipset -Intel(R) Chipset Software Installation Utility V10.1.18263.8193 for Windows 10 64-bit.(WHQL) -MEI -Intel(R) Management Engine Interface V1952.14.0.1470 for Windows 10 64-bit.(WHQL) ====================================================================================== |
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Hans
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NickN ![]() Certified Professional ![]() Joined: November-21-2007 Points: 21104 |
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The Intel Management engine is not the chipset and that is a separate install. Since it is the only version listed it may be the same one that is on your disk.. see how this works?
When the name is the same, user the later posted date of the driver or app. But I can see the question.. The last 2 are the chipset drivers but it appears they made a change to the chipset installer so use the 2nd with the later date. The 3rd may be what is on the disk itself. It depends on when your board was manufactured. It is also possible #2 is the one on your disk based on product date. I would run the one on the disk, then after reboot run #2 from above. If it registers as a update it will typically tell you will update the chipset driver or it may tell you it will uninstall the old and then install the new. You can't mess up either way. If it is the same the installer should ask if you wish to repair or simply uninstall which means what you have from the disk is the same #2 version already. Understand? Given your board is fairly new I see you do not have a huge list to meander through which is good. A lot of times they will list the actual versions of the drivers or software either on the disk itself or in the disk launched application. If that is so you can compare what is online to what version is on your disk and if there is no update version online, just use the disk itself and then install those items that are a newer version from the online download. Make sense? |
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Fly happy ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: October-10-2012 Location: Sweden Points: 1053 |
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Got it, thanks.
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NickN ![]() Certified Professional ![]() Joined: November-21-2007 Points: 21104 |
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Get with me before you follow that because of the 10 series and the chipset. I would prefer go over a few things with you first and get a little feedback on them as you follow that outline. I know it is balls-on for a 9700K but I would want to confirm some things as you go to make sure it is working correctly as outlined. There is more than one way to clock a system and there are other approaches. The approach I outlined is just ducky, although it would probably be considered 'way outside the box' in typical overclocker thinking for the hardware I run and cause some head scratching. but, but.. that's what I do best ![]() |
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NickN ![]() Certified Professional ![]() Joined: November-21-2007 Points: 21104 |
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I did mean to ask, how did your memtest86+ runs work out with the https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820232973 memory sticks?
Did the sticks individually pass in socket A2 with XMP and their correct speed/timing/voltage in the BIOS? and then the entire rack? |
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Fly happy ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: October-10-2012 Location: Sweden Points: 1053 |
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Yeah, I let you know before I start any clocking attempts.
I plan to start the PC for the first time later today so I haven't come to memtest yet. I'll report back with the result. Each stick in A2 with XMP settings and then all of them at XMP. I'll check the timings and voltages.
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NickN ![]() Certified Professional ![]() Joined: November-21-2007 Points: 21104 |
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I saw you already had a stick in slot A2 from your pic which is why I asked.
![]() Thanks.. it will be great to hear back the results. Don't be discouraged if for some reason they 'all' fail.. that may be a BIOS tweak issue for high speed/low latency. If one or two fail and the others don't, that might be a product issue after loading XMP from the AI overclock menu, reboot and confirm speed/primary timing and voltage, then continue When you switch sticks or 'rack them up' you must confirm the change in the BIOS first and then continue. let me know! You only need to pass 3 full rounds of Memtest86+ per stick and then rack and that can be changed in the Memtest configuration... the default is 4 you can leave it there if you wish. |
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NickN ![]() Certified Professional ![]() Joined: November-21-2007 Points: 21104 |
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One other tech thingy
Your rack is spec'd @ 1.5v, that does not mean 1 stick will XMP that voltage, it also does not mean the rack will XMP that voltage so do look at that and here is my advice based on the high speed/low latency If 1 stick XMP's a voltage of 1.5.. leave it there. If 1 stick XMP's a voltage of 1.35, I suggest raising that to 1.45v as that will not be dangerous at all for a single stick DOS test. It may be possible that each stick tested must be 1.5v so if you get 4 stick fail, try 1.5 per stick at that point. That chipset and that CPU are known for being a bit finicky with very high speed low latency memory (above 4000) so keep that in mind as you test and please let me know what happens. |
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Fly happy ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: October-10-2012 Location: Sweden Points: 1053 |
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I'm in the BIOS now.
No problem with booting up the first time. Everything working normally with optimized defaults as far as I can tell. I haven't updated the BIOS yet because I was curious to memtest a stick with the factory BIOS first When setting XMP 1 the following settings changed from AUTO to Manual: BCLK Frequency 100 PCIE Frequency 100 DRAM Frequency 4000 MHz DRAM Voltage 1.5V DRAM CAS# LATENCY 15 DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay 16 DRAM RAS# ACT Time 36 No problem saving and exit and coming back to the BIOS. The settings seem to hold. But these two buddys below have taken a little "jump" in voltages... They are still on AUTO but with the following values: CPU VCCIO Voltage: 1.408V CPU System Agent Voltage: 1.504V Before XMP 1 they were about 0.95V and 1.05V if I recall. So a dramatic increase here. Would it be appropriate to memtest with those voltages or should I try manual voltages on those two? |
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NickN ![]() Certified Professional ![]() Joined: November-21-2007 Points: 21104 |
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Yea this is how all the motherboard manufactures are getting away with auto-clocking on performance memory with their boards.
I had a very similar experience when I built mine and I mention that in the clocking outline. I was like.. 'I'm not even clocked.. are you serious???' ![]() At this time the BIOS will most likely fluctuate those voltage even though the AUTO readouts are high and yes they need to come down at some point, but for right now I would suggest that you get past the 'individual stick' and 'rack' Memtest86+ tests to confirm you do not have a defective memory module or squirrely memory controller. Right now you want to stay with the default BIOS setup until the initial tests, Windows load and other items are checked off and everything is looking just ducky. But at one point and even if I was not going to clock, I would get those 2 under far better control. I would probably start if HT is enabled with a 1.21v for each but at that point I would also need to run tests to make sure VCCSA is not too low or see where it can come down to. We can cross that bridge later, but you are right for bringing this one up.. I was just as shocked as you when I first saw that. ![]() |
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Fly happy ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: October-10-2012 Location: Sweden Points: 1053 |
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Okay thanks, please confirm if I should run memtest with the optimized defaults or with the XMP profile active?
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NickN ![]() Certified Professional ![]() Joined: November-21-2007 Points: 21104 |
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Whoops, sorry
XMP.. always test the memory at its manufacture rated speed and timing.
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Fly happy ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: October-10-2012 Location: Sweden Points: 1053 |
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Got it, thanks.
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Fly happy ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: October-10-2012 Location: Sweden Points: 1053 |
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I'll update the BIOS and see if it changes the AUTO settings of VCCIO and System Agent.
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NickN ![]() Certified Professional ![]() Joined: November-21-2007 Points: 21104 |
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It may, but I wouldn't expect by very much. They always run these new procs hot by default
and do remember that the SPD is setup for 4 sticks with a (32GB) memory 'kit' so that can influence the AUTO system to run things a bit on the hot side too.
Let me know if your sticks and rack set passes. after that, its ALIVE! ![]() And do remember right now your liquid system is probably running the default low end pump speed of 1200 unless they changed that in later revisions so that will need to be checked/addressed after the software is installed.
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