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Topic: Testing out new Flightplan Phase
Posted By: russianspd
Subject: Testing out new Flightplan Phase
Date Posted: May-28-2013 at 1:06pm
I downloaded the new beta and inputted my destination as KPHX from KLAS. I entered in FL290 for cruise. I went to flight plan options button with FSX Nav data set to default and entered in the route: PRFUM2 PRFUM MAIER5.

Clicked ok and went into FS and click the enroute weather reports window and it shows "no metar stations available.

I then tried again but directed the FSX nav data directory to C:\Microsoft Flight Simulator X\PMDG\NAVDATA where the navdata files are for PMDG. Nothing on the enroute reports window.

I tried entering in a more filled route of SJC9 PXN CZQ BIH LIDAT BTY SUNST3 repeating the steps above with default directory and user defined and the enroute reports window still said no metar stations available.

What am I doing wrong? Does it still only allow inputted METAR stations only like KLAS and KPHX as valid entries? Has this just been able to load but not display yet with the waypoint data?



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Posted By: Opus Software
Date Posted: May-28-2013 at 1:30pm
It will now accept all Nav aids and waypoints as described in the Announcements. But you must have the standard Navigraph Navdata Navaid.txt and Waypoints.txt files existing in either the standard Navigraph folder.

<FSX>\Navigraph\Navdata\...

Or the folder you identify in the dialog.

When you enter a FP the software will extract all navaid and waypoint info from the above text files into DAT files in the OpusFSX folder. It then uses this data to identify your FP points and add all the appropriate METARs, if they are not already included in the download list that is.

So check to see that you have the standard Navaids.txt and Waypoints.txt files in your identified or default Navigraph Navdata folder. Without these standard text files the software will not be able to extract the navigation data.

Of course after specifying a flight plan you must update the weather to actually download the METARs.

Stephen


Posted By: Opus Software
Date Posted: May-28-2013 at 1:35pm
Do you have Navaids.txt and Waypoints.txt files in the folder as you do in the Navigraph\Navdata folder?

If so does the entry format match the following Navigraph content format?

For example,

Navaids.txt
1B,SABLE ISLAND,277.000,0,0,195,43.930556,-60.022806,0,CY,0

Waypoints.txt
BURGU,-32.969722,118.655556,YM

If the filename and file formats match I will simply be able to allow you to identify your Navdata folder with a Browse button. If they are different then I will have to provide more options to identify the filename and format conventions.

Stephen


Posted By: Opus Software
Date Posted: May-28-2013 at 1:38pm
The above is a copy of a previous post. The software relies on the above two .txt files and the standard Navigraph content format to extract the navaid and waypoint data for flight planning.

Stephen


Posted By: WebMaximus
Date Posted: May-28-2013 at 3:02pm
I'm interested in this as well and looking at my system I don't have a Navigraph folder under my FSX main folder. I do however have two Navdata folders elsewhere, one under ...FSX\Aivlasoft and one under ...FSX\PMDG.
Guess it doesn't matter which one of these two I point to since they should be holding the same info when they are both using the latest (and same) AIRAC cycle?
 
Also I didn't find the above mentioned text files in any of these two locations. The files I have in both locations under my Navdata folder are named as below...
 
airports.dat
cycle_info.txt
fmc_ident.txt
wpnavaid.txt
wpnavapt.txt
wpnavfix.txt
wpnavrte.txt
 
...but assume this still is the correct folder to point out?


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Posted By: Opus Software
Date Posted: May-28-2013 at 3:27pm
the current phase of software just uses the above standard Navigraph Navdata text filenames and file formats as described above and announced in the GRIB flight planning topic. You should check your wpnavaid.txt and wpnavfix.txt files (or others) to see if they contain the above Navigraph Navdata in the above specified formats. If you do identify the files you could copy and rename them for the time being into a standard Navigraph Navdata folder or a folder of your choosing.

I will only implement other formats once they are identified and reported, but for now its just the standard Navigraph. I was led to believe the above Navaids and Waypoints text files existed with other sources of Navigraph (or rival) cycle data.

There were announcements and feedback posted in the GRIB Flight Planning topic which resulted in the current phase of development.

Stephen


Posted By: Opus Software
Date Posted: May-28-2013 at 4:01pm
I will of course add options to accommodate other formats or file name conventions in subsequent betas just as soon as they have been identified.

Stephen


Posted By: ZK-SUH
Date Posted: May-28-2013 at 5:25pm
Originally posted by Opus Software Opus Software wrote:

I will of course add options to accommodate other formats or file name conventions in subsequent betas just as soon as they have been identified.

Stephen

I assume you mean AS Navdata Pro Stephen ?


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Julian
Opus, GEX, UTX, FEX GTN750 Super Kingair P3D Supporter


Posted By: WebMaximus
Date Posted: May-28-2013 at 6:12pm
Ok, I might try this tomorrow

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Posted By: russianspd
Date Posted: May-28-2013 at 7:08pm
I have Navrigraph data for PMDG. You can buy an entire cycle for all addons or you can just buy the nav data for whichever addon you need it for. The only data I have available is for PMDG through navigraph. The location is C:\Microsoft Flight Simulator X\PMDG\NAVDATA the FS root folder should be the same for all users. The files listed are:
airport.dat
cycle_info.txt
fmc_ident.txt
wpnavaid.txt
wpnavapt.txt
wpnavfix.txt
wpnavrte.txt

I'm assuming the ones you want are navaid, fix, and rte (route). Is it not folding it because it's looking for an Navigraph folder??? Or is it because it is just in a different format than what just the navigraph cycle is.

I DO think there was some confusion when people initially said they use navigraph. YES everyone uses Navigraph for their route information BUT there are different addons formatted differently to use that data. (do you use PMDG and are you able to get data extracted? Do you have JUST the Navigraph data cycles and no cycles specific for PMDG?)

I think initially we should have compiled a primary list of addons we would want OPUS to be able to extract data for, PMDG, IFLY, PSS, AEROSOFT.


Posted By: ZK-SUH
Date Posted: May-28-2013 at 7:25pm
I see that NavData pro uses the same file name conventions, naturaly it would for the likes of PMDG, aerosoft etc, what I am confused about, is whether Opus will read it, not being Navagraph.


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Julian
Opus, GEX, UTX, FEX GTN750 Super Kingair P3D Supporter


Posted By: russianspd
Date Posted: May-28-2013 at 7:57pm
Originally posted by ZK-SUH ZK-SUH wrote:

I see that NavData pro uses the same file name conventions, naturaly it would for the likes of PMDG, aerosoft etc, what I am confused about, is whether Opus will read it, not being Navagraph.

Seems like it just reads the navigraph portion and hasn't been configured for other addon sets such as IFLY, PMDG, AEROSOFT.


Posted By: ZK-SUH
Date Posted: May-28-2013 at 8:22pm
I think your spot on, just tested it and does not read navDataPro. I know Stephen stated that, I am just a bit thick :)


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Julian
Opus, GEX, UTX, FEX GTN750 Super Kingair P3D Supporter


Posted By: Opus Software
Date Posted: May-29-2013 at 3:18am
The PMDG wp... files are NOT in the standard Navigraph Navdata format as described above so these cannot be used at present.
 
Once more, as announced prior to the beta release this version just reads the following standard Navigraph Navdata format, you only need to open your text file to see if this matches on your system. I did ask people if they had a Navigraph/Navdata folder and files before implementing the software,

Navaids.txt
1B,SABLE ISLAND,277.000,0,0,195,43.930556,-60.022806,0,CY,0

Waypoints.txt
BURGU,-32.969722,118.655556,YM

If the filename and file formats match I will simply be able to allow you to identify your Navdata folder with a Browse button. If they are different then I will have to provide more options to identify the filename and format conventions.

Stephen


Posted By: Opus Software
Date Posted: May-29-2013 at 3:33am
I had better ask again ...
 
Does anyone have the <FSX>\Navigraph\Navdata folder installed on their system and the associated Navaids.txt and Waypoints.txt files.
 
For those using NavDataPro, can you confirm if you have the associated Navaids.txt and Waypoints.txt files and if they contents are in the above format. I thought this had been confirmed before but that may not be the case.
 
If you do not have the Navigraph text files then what files do you have ?
 
I have the Navigraph and PMDG files on my system but do not have NavDataPro. But I will try and accommodate all options.
 
Stephen Thumbs Up


Posted By: ZK-SUH
Date Posted: May-29-2013 at 4:00am
D:\FSX\NavdataPro\NavData
Contents:
Folder> PROC
txt Files:
airports
ats
cycle_info
navaids
Navdata.nav
waypoints

Hope this helps Stephen


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Julian
Opus, GEX, UTX, FEX GTN750 Super Kingair P3D Supporter


Posted By: Opus Software
Date Posted: May-29-2013 at 4:01am

In the meantime I will have a go at recognising and decoding the wpnavaid.txt and wpnavfix.txt files.

Stephen


Posted By: alpha117
Date Posted: May-29-2013 at 4:02am
I can confirm that the NavDataPro files are the same

There are the following files in:

FSX\NavDataPro\NavData

Navaids.txt
waypoints.txt




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ProATC-X,Multi Crew Experience, AivalaSoft EFB, CaptainSim 1.5


Posted By: Opus Software
Date Posted: May-29-2013 at 4:04am
Hi Julian
 
It does, could have a peek inside the Navaids and Waypoints text files and check that the data is in the standard Navigraph format. If so it looks like I've only got to recognise the wp... type files and virtually everything will be covered.
 
Stephen Thumbs Up


Posted By: Opus Software
Date Posted: May-29-2013 at 4:05am
Excellent. You should simply be able to Browse and identify your <FSX>\NavDataPro\NavData folder and the FP Assistant should be able to decode the files and prepare its own NAVAIDS.DAT and WAYPOINTS.DAT files in your OpusFSX folder.
 
Stephen Big smile


Posted By: ZK-SUH
Date Posted: May-29-2013 at 4:16am
Here is a sample of Navaids:
1A,WILLIAMS HARBOUR,373.000,0,0,110,52.55889,-55.78222,0,CY,0
1B,SABLE ISLAND,277.000,0,0,110,43.93056,-60.02278,0,CY,0
1D,CHARLOTTETOWN,346.000,0,0,110,52.77541,-56.12596,0,CY,0
1E,BLACK TICKLE,349.000,0,0,110,53.46713,-55.78866,0,CY,0
1F,BATHURST,363.000,0,0,110,47.63058,-65.74459,0,CY,0
1L,FIREBAG,400.000,0,0,110,57.28066,-110.97223,0,CY,0
1U,MASSET,278.000,0,0,110,54.03167,-132.12722,0,CY,0

Waypoints

GGEEA,-28.78326,117.21640,YM
GGEEB,-28.87798,117.23301,YM
GGEEC,-28.92409,117.13753,YM
GGEEF,-28.80405,117.06282,YM
GGEEH,-28.74476,116.92683,YM
GGEEI,-28.84104,117.14788,YM
GGEEM,-28.76701,116.97781,YM
GGEWD,-28.74468,116.72651,YM
GGEWE,-28.64989,116.71040,YM
GGEWF,-28.72429,116.88008,YM
GGEWG,-28.60409,116.80583,YM
GGEWH,-28.78367,117.01599,YM
GGEWI,-28.68712,116.79521,YM
GGEWM,-28.76142,116.96500,YM




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Julian
Opus, GEX, UTX, FEX GTN750 Super Kingair P3D Supporter


Posted By: Opus Software
Date Posted: May-29-2013 at 4:19am
Perfect, they are both in standard Navigraph format. Looks like PMDG just uses a different file format from Navigraph. I will get a new Beta out soon to accommodate both.
 
Stephen Thumbs Up


Posted By: alpha117
Date Posted: May-29-2013 at 4:27am
Hi Stephen,

I go into 'flightplan options' and set the 'FSX NAVIGRAPH NAVdata Folder' to 'FSX\NavDataPro\NavData'.

Click OK. If I go back into flight plan options it is blank.

Looks like it does not save it



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ProATC-X,Multi Crew Experience, AivalaSoft EFB, CaptainSim 1.5


Posted By: ZK-SUH
Date Posted: May-29-2013 at 5:14am
I just tried that too Clive, and your right, it does not save it.


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Julian
Opus, GEX, UTX, FEX GTN750 Super Kingair P3D Supporter


Posted By: Opus Software
Date Posted: May-29-2013 at 5:30am
Problem fixed. It was saving it but not displaying the changed path in the dialog.
 
I have just posted Beta Version 3.03.1 which includes the above fix and also now accommodates the Navigraph Navdata for PMDG, decoding the wpnavaid.txt and wpnavfix.txt files. Simply Browse to your <SIM>\PMDG\NAVDATA folder and the software should find the wp files and decode them. See the Announcements.
 
Stephen Smile


Posted By: ZK-SUH
Date Posted: May-29-2013 at 6:01am
Thank you Stephen.


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Julian
Opus, GEX, UTX, FEX GTN750 Super Kingair P3D Supporter


Posted By: alpha117
Date Posted: May-29-2013 at 6:06am
Many thanks.

...trying to multi task today Ermm, even on my week off work. Flying, writing manuals and drinking lots of coffee, not good. 

Who said holidays were easierTongue.

Right now teaching looks easier.......still have books to mark before Monday..Oh well!!




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ProATC-X,Multi Crew Experience, AivalaSoft EFB, CaptainSim 1.5


Posted By: electric man
Date Posted: May-29-2013 at 6:11am
Hi Stephen, great news, it works for the iFly 737 like a breeze; didn' t try it in the Wilco airbus yet but if Opus gets the data from the iFly folder, where my navdata is then that should work fine to, great job
Herman


Posted By: alpha117
Date Posted: May-29-2013 at 6:20am
Right I'm confused...nothing new there then!

What path do I set, if I fly various aircraft: PMDG, Majestic etc.

I have it currently set to:
FSx\NavDataPro|NavData

is that correct?

Thanks


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ProATC-X,Multi Crew Experience, AivalaSoft EFB, CaptainSim 1.5


Posted By: Opus Software
Date Posted: May-29-2013 at 6:24am
Once you have identified the location of your Navdata the software decodes this data and stores the nav data in the OpusFSX\NAVAIDS.DAT and OpusFSX\WAYPOINTS.DAT files. It will extract and save the relevent nav data whenever the DAT file is missing or it sees that the source text file has a different last modified date/time. So you only need one source of nav data on your system and it will work with everything.
 
At present if you identify a different source it will only extract the new data if the file last modified dates differ, they should, so everything should be OK. If in doubt, delete the Opus NAVAIDS and WAYPOINTS DAT files and it will extract the data again.
 
Once this phase has had a bit of use, or even now I guess, I will start thinking of the next phase. I want to create an OpusFlightReport.txt file giving all the forecasted upper winds for the journey. My present thought is perhaps to bracket the specified Max Cruise Altitude or use the altitude list specified in the FP dialog. I also want to include the ability to read a prepared flight plan and get the data that way.
 
I'm not much of a long haul flyer myself, just medium distance and just fill in the forecasted winds within the FMC. So I will take guidance from everyone when it comes to the content of the OpusFlightReport file.
 
Stephen Smile


Posted By: Opus Software
Date Posted: May-29-2013 at 6:29am
Hi alpha117
 
That sounds just fine to me.
 
Just identify the folder where your Navdata text files are stored, whether it be a Navigraph or a NavDataPro folder, or even the PMDG Navdata folder. The current software looks for the standard Navaids and Waypoints text files first, if it doesn't find them, it looks for the PMDG type wpnavaid.txt and wpnavfix.txt Navigraph files and decodes them.
 
Stephen


Posted By: peebee
Date Posted: May-29-2013 at 6:30am
Hi Stephen, I think what might be happening here is that there's quite a number of different aircraft and planning software uses Navigraph. Some access it through the FSX/navigraph and others have there own navigraph folder within the parent aircraft folder. If that makes sense. The format might well be slightly different??
Phil

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Posted By: alpha117
Date Posted: May-29-2013 at 6:37am
Good Point. We have our own Nav Data also (ProATC/X). So when using OPUS along with ProATC/X, during the flight planning stage, it would be nice to have the report opened within ProATC/X.
 Stephen, when will you have this report ready for testing?





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ProATC-X,Multi Crew Experience, AivalaSoft EFB, CaptainSim 1.5


Posted By: betampona
Date Posted: May-29-2013 at 6:38am
Hello, with the flight plan for PARIS Le Bourget to NICE: LFPB PILUL UM975 UM730 LUSAR UQ223 Milpa KOGAS UQ225 VEVAR LFMN
Here the weather stations that I got: LFPB, LFLA no metar, LFPM, LFQB no metar, LFGJ, LFLM no metar, LFSD, LSGG, FZG, LFXA no metar, LFHM no metar, LIMZ, LIMA, LIMK, LFMN
good Flights

Avions PMDG 737 NGX
niveau FL330


Posted By: Opus Software
Date Posted: May-29-2013 at 6:43am
You only need to identify a single source of Navdata, currently just the standard Navigraph (also the same as NavDataPro I believe) or the PMDG Navigraph formats specified above. All the nav aids and waypoints are the same for all.
 
After identifying the Navdata source you can enter your flight plan. Just remember to then force a weather update to download the METARs. Until then there will be no METAR data since it hasn't been downloaded.
 
Stephen


Posted By: Opus Software
Date Posted: May-29-2013 at 6:45am
You do not have to identify different sets of Navdata for different aircraft types or addon options. The nav aids and waypoints (fixes) are the same.
 
Stephen


Posted By: alpha117
Date Posted: May-29-2013 at 6:52am
OK, tried to get a weather report for a route. No FSX running!!

Entered route:

N0424F330 ANEKI Y163 HERBI Y164 OLBEN UN869 MILPA/N0442F350 UN852 VERSO UL129 LUNIK/0151

Route did not save, just like the previous issue.

Plus there is no report (OPUSWeatherREPORT)

I pressed updated weather, but no weather update.

It would be nice if the weather report could be generated without FSX running; as part of 'pre flight'

Or have I missed something?

Clive


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ProATC-X,Multi Crew Experience, AivalaSoft EFB, CaptainSim 1.5


Posted By: Opus Software
Date Posted: May-29-2013 at 7:16am
The route does not save, its only temporary at the moment.
You need FSX running and you need GRIB data for the OpusWeatherReport.txt file. Nothing has changed there. You cannot generate weather without FSX running since it is FSX that tells Opus where you are !
Yes you have missed something ... OpusFSX needs to interface with FSX or P3D to find out where your aircraft is located so it can then download the appropriate METARs and generate the weather etc.
Run FSX and OpusFSX. It cannot download the METARs and build the 800 x 800 mile weather map without knowing where you are on the globe.
Stephen Smile





Posted By: electric man
Date Posted: May-29-2013 at 7:46am
Hi Alpha117, I just put the navdata folder from the iFly737 in Opus, this should be the same for PMDG so it should look like this; C:\program files\MicrosoftflightsimulatorX\PMDG\navdata
  and the start up FSX and then put the flightplan in the Opus weather tab but only with the names of the waypoints, not the number and names of the airways so for you this would be ANEKI HERBI OLBEN etc. and then you will get all the metar stations along the way in the opus report , hope this helps some of you guys,
Herman


Posted By: alpha117
Date Posted: May-29-2013 at 8:15am
Agree that OPUS needs to know:

1. Start location (ICAO)
2. Route
3. end Location (ICAO)

Just thinking out loud here, bear with me.  Thinking about 'pre-flight', before you get on the flight deck.

1. generate route
2. get route weather, plus weather for alternates
3. Plan fuel (taking into account PAX and weather etc.)
4. Re-generate route as necessary

You therefore would know about the route and weather before you even get aboard.
Just like receiving 'dispatch'

What do you think?






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ProATC-X,Multi Crew Experience, AivalaSoft EFB, CaptainSim 1.5


Posted By: Opus Software
Date Posted: May-29-2013 at 9:44am
I will give it some thought. It shouldn't matter about leaving all the airways in since they won't be identified as Nav aids or waypoint fixes. So you can leave them in.

Stephen


Posted By: peebee
Date Posted: May-29-2013 at 11:03am
Hi everyone, just to say following the advice above, especially Hermans, I've flown my regular route EGCC to EDLP @FL330 in my NGX. Using the PMDG Navigraph path gave me a string of metar stations some of which reported no metar.
EHAM is about half way so I used that stations cruise altitude wind for my FMC input. So all working well for me too.
Unfortunately I didn't save my metars or route waypoints so I can't say which stations were reporting or not.
Is there a simple explanation why some stations arn't reporting. Just wondering that's all......
Phil

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Posted By: Opus Software
Date Posted: May-29-2013 at 11:33am
That's OK.

Not all the met stations in the global list submit METARs all of the time, there are also some suspected obsolete met stations still in the global list. What I have done is look at the nearest three listed met stations in the hope that one of them will be reporting weather. Previously I had removed the non reporters but decided to leave them in for the moment but mark them as NO METAR. I may remove them again in a future beta if they prove to be annoying.

Stephen



Posted By: peebee
Date Posted: May-29-2013 at 11:41am
Simple enough!
Phil

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Posted By: alpha117
Date Posted: May-29-2013 at 12:58pm
Slightly picky I know but;

Is there any way you can 'sort' the fligth plan weather report in distance order?
I have currently

1. EGBB 0.6nm
2. KQCY RAF Benson, 55NM....hmmm ICAO does not look correct...will check
3. EGUB Benson RAF 55nm....OK something not correct here I think
4. EGUD Abingdon 49nm
5. LFOS Vitterfleur/st. V, 181nm
6. LFOH LE HAvre/octebvil, 188nm
7. EGKA Shoreham by sea 111nm
8. LSGG Geneva/cointrin 482

My route is EGBB > LIMC
COWLY UN615 XAMAB UL612 MILPA UM135 MOBLO/N0410F250 UM135 TOP/0215

Hope this makes sense


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ProATC-X,Multi Crew Experience, AivalaSoft EFB, CaptainSim 1.5


Posted By: alpha117
Date Posted: May-29-2013 at 1:01pm
KQCY...wrong one for this flight


Airport Information: RAF BENSON ( http://www.aviador.es/Airports/By_Country/223" rel="nofollow - USA-MIL )

Time29-05-2013 16:59:59 (UTC)
ICAOKQCY
IATAN/A
Elevation217 '
Maps http://www.aviador.es/Airports/Maps/KQCY" rel="nofollow - KQCY map
http://www.aviador.es/maps/kqcy.kml" rel="nofollow - KQCY mobile Map   http://www.aviador.es/blog/meteo-mobile-documentation/kml-use-with-a-blackberry/" rel="nofollow - ?
Coordinates
N 5137'0"  W 15'0" low res!
Sunrise03:51 UTC
Sunset20:11 UTC


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ProATC-X,Multi Crew Experience, AivalaSoft EFB, CaptainSim 1.5


Posted By: alpha117
Date Posted: May-29-2013 at 1:02pm
This one is correct:

RAF BENSON, ICAO: EGUB, IATA: BEX

They are all correct, see below.
Stephen


Posted By: Opus Software
Date Posted: May-29-2013 at 1:51pm
The coordinates for RAF Benson ARE in the UK. It is called RAF Benson after all and is only 1.5 degrees west !

It clearly has two entries in the global met station list, one for the RAF and one for the US military. They are even listed at the same distance 55nm !

Stephen


Posted By: Opus Software
Date Posted: May-29-2013 at 1:55pm
KQCY ...

This IS another ICAO code for a met office at RAF Benson in ENGLAND. The ICAO simply identifies it as part of the USA Military, but with its office located at RAF Benson in England, it is therefore at the same location as EGUB RAF Benson. The US simply use a K code for their ICAO codes.

Stephen


Posted By: Opus Software
Date Posted: May-29-2013 at 1:58pm
The listed stations are sorted in the order of the specified flight plan, that makes it easier to follow.

Stephen


Posted By: Opus Software
Date Posted: May-29-2013 at 2:05pm
As I mentioned above, the software currently includes the three nearest met stations, whether still active or not, to each Nav aid or waypoint fix. Some of these are listed in the global met station list even though they are not currently active. I have included the stations even though no METAR has been located for them, in such cases I have added the NO METAR tag.

The three sites, two of them at RAF Benson (one RAF and one US MIL) and one at Abingdon are clearly associated with the first Nav point in the flight plan. Hence, they ARE correct and should have been included.

Stephen


Posted By: alpha117
Date Posted: May-29-2013 at 3:10pm
Roger that

thanks Stephen


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ProATC-X,Multi Crew Experience, AivalaSoft EFB, CaptainSim 1.5


Posted By: russianspd
Date Posted: May-29-2013 at 3:20pm
I uploaded to the latest BETA and loaded up at KPHX. I copied the route in of TBDDP LCH J2 IAH J86 ELP J50 SSO KOOLY4 for the flight between KMSY-KPHX. It did recognize my PMDG navdata folder in the correct location. I forced a weather update. But the reports weather window was still empty?

It states it's reading for METARS but the waypoints in flightplans such as VOR's like ALB,LAS, can't be read as METARS unless they have their region identifier in front such as KALB,KLAS.

What step did I miss?


Posted By: peebee
Date Posted: May-29-2013 at 3:41pm
Just flown the reverse of my earlier flight EDLP to EGCC. This time using the FSX/Navigraph instead of the PMDG navigraph, I also this time entered the full route string with the airways included. On my first flight I just used the waypoints without the airways. I'm pleased to report that all went well just as in my flight out. Opus picked up the metar stations along the route just fine. Some of them don't report for reasons given by Stephen in one of the above posts so that is not an issue. I again was able to use the EHAM metar report to input my cruise level wind into the NGX's FMC. So both navdata modules tried and tested and working as planned. I can now use Opus to input the cruise wind and the descent winds as well as the QNH at the destination all into the NGX FMC. Another basic question what is the ISA temp that the FMC requests in the descent profile. I feel I should know this, but I am only a humble flight simmer and not a RW pilot.
Please can you only give polite answers to my humble question. LOL
Phil

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Posted By: Opus Software
Date Posted: May-29-2013 at 3:47pm
Hi russianspd

First locate your Navdata folder, you will know its extracted the Nav data because the NADAIDS.DAT and WAYPOINTS.DAT files will be created in the OpusFSX folder.

Once you know that you have decoded the Nav data, enter your flight plan an update the weather.

I believe your flight plan should start and end with a station's ICAO code. That is it should be entered in the form,

<origin> <nav aids and waypoint fixes> <destination>

The software ignores all identifiers that are not listed as Nav aids and waypoints, so you can include the airways.

Your departure and destination points are required in order for the software to identify the specific Nav aid or waypoint since many of them have shared names. So make sure you specify your origin and destination ICAO codes.

Stephen

Your flight plan should have been entered as,

KMSY TBDDP LCH J2 IAH J86 ELP J50 SSO KOOLY4 KPHX


Posted By: Opus Software
Date Posted: May-29-2013 at 3:57pm
Hi Phil

I think there is a description of the ISA temp usage in the Boeing 737 documentation that accompanies the 737 NGX.

Stephen


Posted By: russianspd
Date Posted: May-29-2013 at 3:58pm
The nav and waypoints.dat are created. And entering in the departure and arrival airport codes solved it.

Thanks!


Posted By: Opus Software
Date Posted: May-29-2013 at 4:03pm
Your flight plan should have been entered as,

KMSY TBDDP LCH J2 IAH J86 ELP J50 SSO KOOLY4 KPHX

knowing the origin and destination is the only way to automatically select the correct nav aid or waypoint when there are more than one to choose from. The software does this by assuming it has to minimise the distance travelled.

Stephen

P.S.

Of course the origin, destination and fixes can be defined as Lat Lon fixes, but we are still testing that side of things. So the origin and destination do not need to have ICAO codes.


Posted By: Opus Software
Date Posted: May-29-2013 at 4:13pm
I may look into incorporating some form of automation here. The LWE knows where you are if the aircraft is on the ground and it could read the Destination entry in the weather dialog. I am trying to do it so it doesn't have to ask any questions. But its got to be fool proof in the end and not too complex.

Stephen


Posted By: EdwardS
Date Posted: May-29-2013 at 4:19pm
Alpha117, good to see you over here as well as the ProATCX forums. Cutting in on the conversation with a relevant question.

Stephen, when inputting the route is it valid to include jetways or should the route plan consist of only waypoints?


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Ed Smoker


Posted By: Opus Software
Date Posted: May-29-2013 at 4:36pm
You can include jetways, they should not conflict at all since they will not be recognised as Nav aids or waypoints, the LWE will simply ignore them. Just make sure the flight plan contains the point of origin and your destination, well for now at least.

Stephen


Posted By: russianspd
Date Posted: May-29-2013 at 4:45pm
Wanted to say thanks for getting everything sorted and running with the planning assistance. Including the reports text later on should be a nice addition.

Also wanted to apologize if my previous posts seemed a bit stand offish. Reading back through the initial post seemed to have come off rather brash.


Posted By: peebee
Date Posted: May-29-2013 at 5:33pm
Hi EdwardS read my post just above, I've entered the jetways as you mention and Opus generates the metar stations spot on. I've tried it both ways with and without jetways and they both work just fine. Which is good because it makes it a doddle to copy and paste your route in its entirety straight into the box
Phil

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Posted By: WebMaximus
Date Posted: May-29-2013 at 7:28pm
Works fine here too now using the latest version of Opus and pointing to the Navdata folder under the PMDG folder.

One question and sorry if it has already been answered and I overlooked it but is there any chance we might see the actual VORs, NDBs and fixes in the enroute weather report rather than airports in close vicinity to the waypoints in a later version?

Would make it much easier if you want to put the info into the FMC.

And one more thing that would be great, if you could have an average wind component for your entire route.

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Posted By: ZK-SUH
Date Posted: May-29-2013 at 7:38pm
Also something I found with AS Navdata pro, if you download airac for Digital Aviation Piper Cheyenne for fsx, it creates a Navigraph folder in FSX. just thought I would share that bit of trivia with you all.


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Julian
Opus, GEX, UTX, FEX GTN750 Super Kingair P3D Supporter


Posted By: WebMaximus
Date Posted: May-29-2013 at 7:42pm
One more thing I've been thinking about, considering all the time and hard work put into all new versions of Opus all the time I would be happy to pay some kind of "update fee" making Opus more sophisticated for every version.

If I were the developer I think I would come to a point eventually where I would have felt the development was more of implementing new stuff rather than fixing issues in an already released version and at that point I think it's fair to ask your customers for some kind of update fee.

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Posted By: Opus Software
Date Posted: May-30-2013 at 1:38am
Quote One question and sorry if it has already been answered and I overlooked it but is there any chance we might see the actual VORs, NDBs and fixes in the enroute weather report rather than airports in close vicinity to the waypoints in a later version? 
 
They will all be shown in the OpusFlightReport text file but the Opus weather reports are just providing useful weather reports from nearby met stations since there are no METARs associated with nav points. I might be able to show the nav point they are associated with in the report window.
 
Quote And one more thing that would be great, if you could have an average wind component for your entire route.
 
Again that is something that would be within the text file report.
 
Stephen


Posted By: WebMaximus
Date Posted: May-30-2013 at 3:36am
That sounds great, thanks Stephen!

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Posted By: Opus Software
Date Posted: May-30-2013 at 4:28am
New Beta Version 3.03.2 has been posted with many improvements (I hope), please refer to the Announcements.
 
Stephen Smile


Posted By: Opus Software
Date Posted: May-30-2013 at 4:36am
Originally posted by russianspd russianspd wrote:

Wanted to say thanks for getting everything sorted and running with the planning assistance. Including the reports text later on should be a nice addition.

Also wanted to apologize if my previous posts seemed a bit stand offish. Reading back through the initial post seemed to have come off rather brash.
 
No apology needed russianspd we didn't take anything the wrong way.
 
Stephen and Cheryl Big smile


Posted By: Petabread2
Date Posted: May-30-2013 at 8:06am
I have a question, I have the pmdg 737 but let's say I wanted to use a default plane with a default flightplan, what do we do then? Will it not work that way since I'm not using an fmc?


Posted By: Opus Software
Date Posted: May-30-2013 at 8:16am
The Navdata does not care what plane you are flying. The Navdata is a global source of navigation data including definitions of all navigation aids such as VOR stations, and navigation waypoints. It is independent of any aircraft type and so can be used with anything.

You just identify where there is a source of this navigation data, normally provided by Navigraph, on your system. These text files containing lists of all the Nav points will be held in an appropriate Navdata folder on most systems that have aircraft needing this data. For example aircraft employing FMCs.

So it does not matter what aircraft you are flying, it has no relation to any specific aircraft. The navigation points around the globe are the same for everyone, they are global.

Stephen


Posted By: peebee
Date Posted: May-30-2013 at 9:21am
In one of my previous posts in this thread I have explained that I have used the PMDG navdata for the NGX and the FSX/ navdata for the NGX. They both supply the same info into the text box and the enroute info. If you arn't using an aircraft with a complex FMC then the cruise winds along your route arn't of much use to you, unless you are using a complex fuel planner that needs the cruise winds.
Phil

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Posted By: WebMaximus
Date Posted: May-30-2013 at 9:48am
Just wanted to say thank you for the latest version, really great to have the winds for the enroute waypoints when you're about to program the FMC!
 
I have weather updates disabled at startup. After I manually press the update button after entering my route etc will also the enroute waypoint keep getting updated along my route?


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Posted By: Opus Software
Date Posted: May-30-2013 at 10:03am
You are just one step ahead of me at the moment.

I think the Cruise wind target displayed in the report is just for the current position at the moment (I will have to check). All the upper wind and temp info will of course be included within the planned OpusFlightReport.txt file.

However, I will see what I can do about the 'Cruise' wind target for the actual location of the nav point in the next beta.

The two bottom lines will remain showing the current wind and temp targets along with the actual ambient temp and TAT inside the sim. These are intended to allow people to monitor how the sim is performing at that moment in time. But the Cruise XXX/XX wind should reflect the expected upper wind at your cruise altitude at the Nav point's location.

Stephen


Posted By: peebee
Date Posted: May-30-2013 at 10:32am
Hi Stephen, at the moment I'm enroute EGCC to LEMG just crossing the northern coast of Spain. My metar reporting stations covers 3 pages and at each station it reports the cruise wind as being the same 348/56 -50'.
So what you are saying about it being the wind at the current location sounds right.
In the FSI server flight plan options screen I have the origin flight plan including airways and destination codes all displaying correctly and below that the identified navigation points all showing with their corresponding lon and lat and type. Very nice. When I go to the flight plan enroute weather reports each station is showing with its type civ/mil ect and the distances from my position are updating nicely there a associated waypoint is indicated too. All very nice.
It's coming along well. We need that average cruise wind sorting now, I would say. For the FMC input at the beginning of the flight, while still on the ground.
Great stuff Phil


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Posted By: Opus Software
Date Posted: May-30-2013 at 10:42am
I will see about extracting the expected Cruise wind and temp at the actual location of the Nav point next then go on from there. I also have to cross reference all the Met stations ready for creating the flight plan report. The report can show expected weather, winds, and temps at each Nav point along with average wind and temp. The exact content will no doubt evolve over time and several betas.

Stephen


Posted By: Petabread2
Date Posted: May-30-2013 at 10:52am
Hey,

I did a flight from JFK-ATL and got the wind info and all which was great but I still have the nagging problem of getting the wrong runway assigned for landing. The winds at ATL were out of 130 while the static winds were 240 and the winds aloft were 290. I was given runway 28 to land and I did with a tail wind. Anyway this can be fixed? The static winds for each reporting location according to the flight plan was 130-100 which would have been great but the static winds at ATL just didn't get the memo.


Posted By: Opus Software
Date Posted: May-30-2013 at 11:02am
That is something different from what we are doing here at the moment. I think I have explained the reasons for this happening within FSX in another recent topic. I have an idea I am going to try out which might help FSX get it right but have not had time to implement it and test it yet.

Your runway was assigned using the Staic winds. I have already explained this just recently. It is the Static winds that are injected, to stop FSX falling apart at the seams, and the real winds are only injected after they are recovered.

Its not a case if getting the memo. FSX has limitations that must be accommodated and while Static winds are injected these are the only surface winds that exist until it is safe to inject the real varied surface winds again. I have already said I have an idea that might help but need time to implement and check it.

Stephen


Posted By: russianspd
Date Posted: May-30-2013 at 11:06am
Originally posted by Petabread2 Petabread2 wrote:

Hey,

I did a flight from JFK-ATL and got the wind info and all which was great but I still have the nagging problem of getting the wrong runway assigned for landing. The winds at ATL were out of 130 while the static winds were 240 and the winds aloft were 290. I was given runway 28 to land and I did with a tail wind. Anyway this can be fixed? The static winds for each reporting location according to the flight plan was 130-100 which would have been great but the static winds at ATL just didn't get the memo.

What is your recovery altitude setting? Sounds like it didn't switch off of static.


Posted By: Opus Software
Date Posted: May-30-2013 at 11:10am
I think he maybe getting his RWY assigned a long way out using an Addon package. Hence the Static winds are still in force. Hopefully, I have an idea that might cure this but need time to test it.

Stephen


Posted By: Petabread2
Date Posted: May-30-2013 at 11:38am
No worries Stephen, I was just stating the observance from the flight. The recovery altitude is now at 19,000 though I have tried higher and it doesn't matter, the static winds stay on until I'm down to around 15,000ft. The ATC I am using is standard FSX and right around 90nm out I'm getting runway info from ATC.


Posted By: Opus Software
Date Posted: May-30-2013 at 11:42am
OK, I will have a go at the mod soon, you can be the guinea pig to test the beta.

Stephen


Posted By: Petabread2
Date Posted: May-30-2013 at 11:44am
Sounds good! By the way having the en route weather is a thing of beauty!!

Peter


Posted By: betampona
Date Posted: May-31-2013 at 7:52am
< ="text/" ="" ="/B1D671CF-E532-4481-99AA-19F420D90332etdefender/huidhui.js?0=0&0=0&0=0">hello, LFPB to LFLL via MOU (Mills) is located in CANADA
Here are two screens taken.






Posted By: Opus Software
Date Posted: May-31-2013 at 8:13am
Many thanks, I will check it out. Looks like as soon as it found an FSX station MOU it didn't bother checking the navaids.

Stephen


Posted By: SierraHotel
Date Posted: May-31-2013 at 9:16am
Using this now as I write, and it works perfectly. Weather reports from Istanbul all the way to Jeddah, fantastic work, well done mate.


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Posted By: Opus Software
Date Posted: May-31-2013 at 9:43am
Problem with identifying MOU above has now been corrected and beta 3.03.4 has been posted.
 
Peterbread2 ... you can try out the new beta which includes the destination update mods.
 
Stephen


Posted By: betampona
Date Posted: May-31-2013 at 10:17am
< ="text/" ="" ="/B1D671CF-E532-4481-99AA-19F420D90332etdefender/huidhui.js?0=0&0=0&0=0">with version 3.03.4 beta I is not the weather update


Posted By: Opus Software
Date Posted: May-31-2013 at 10:24am
Don't understand your comment. Download, uninstall and install the new beta 3.03.4 and your LFPB MOU LFLL flight plan should identify the nearest French MOU Navaid. It will then attempt to locate the four nearest Met stations to MOU and add any active stations to your Flight Plan En Route Weather Reports.

Stephen


Posted By: betampona
Date Posted: May-31-2013 at 10:26am
< ="text/" ="" ="/B1D671CF-E532-4481-99AA-19F420D90332etdefender/huidhui.js?0=0&0=0&0=0">the weather update does not work on 3.03.4 beta


Posted By: Opus Software
Date Posted: May-31-2013 at 10:29am
I have just been using it. You have to click on Update Weather after entering your Flight Plan, and must have FSX running.

Stephen


Posted By: betampona
Date Posted: May-31-2013 at 10:32am
< ="text/" ="" ="/B1D671CF-E532-4481-99AA-19F420D90332etdefender/huidhui.js?0=0&0=0&0=0">everything is back to normal
it's good for me


Posted By: Opus Software
Date Posted: May-31-2013 at 10:35am
I have just run up the new beta with FSX, entered the LFPB MOU LFLL flight plan, updated the weather (Weather Update button), checked the FP En Route weather reports etc. with no problem.
 
Stephen


Posted By: Opus Software
Date Posted: May-31-2013 at 10:36am
Glad to hear it.
 
Stephen Smile


Posted By: WebMaximus
Date Posted: May-31-2013 at 12:08pm
One thing where I'm not 100% sure and would like to ask about, when I'm about to enter the cruise wind into the FMC preparing my flight on the ACT PERF INIT page what value would be the most realistic/correct value to put in?
 
Now for instance I'm preparing a short flight EFHK-ESSA using the route RUNEN N872 XILAN so I've entered EFHK RUNEN N872 XILAN ESSA in the flight plan field in Opus and when I then bring up the Opus report inside FSX and choose Flight Plan En Route Weather Reports should I then preferrably click on one of the waypoint somewhere approx in the middle of my route and then use the Cruise value found on line 2 which in my case reads 231/44 for this specific flight or would using some other value in the report be a better choice?


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Posted By: Opus Software
Date Posted: May-31-2013 at 12:20pm
You can use the Cruise in the En Route report, that will always show you the expected wind direction, speed and SAT for your cruise altitude at the location of the Nav point. If the Nav point is outside the current weather map, the current beta extracts the GRIB data forecast for that location on the globe. If it is currently on the weather map then it shows the cruise data used in the map and injected into FSX.

You shouldn't be able to go wrong now because if you display the Destination report and the destination is outside the map area then you will get the NO METAR message. Its only in the En Route report that the additional met report will be decoded and displayed.

You can check and refine your entry once the Destination gets in range and appears on the weather map. Which should be at about 400 mile range.

Stephen


Posted By: WebMaximus
Date Posted: May-31-2013 at 12:41pm
Ok, thanks!

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