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    Posted: August-07-2020 at 11:44pm
I'm not immediately finding any posts on the topic, so I thought I'd ask:  do you think live view will be available for MSFS 2020 at some point after release?
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Depends entirely on their SDK. I’ve asked for a copy three times to no avail so I am having to wait until Aug 18th same as everyone else. I believe advanced copies have only gone to aircraft and airport developer, although TrackIR is supported so 6DOF control must have been added.

If the SDK does not include the necessary functions I will be requesting they be included ASAP. In addition to Live View I’m also wanting to develop drivers for 737 throttle quadrants, MCP, and EFIS panels.

I will start making a list of all necessary SimConnect functions so I can forward it to Microsoft. They are very responsive so are listening to Alpha / Beta testers.

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Good to hear, Stephen, thanks for the quick reply.  

I've been simming for so many years with a networked PC setup that I don't think I could go back to a single-PC sim.  Opus Software products have been core components for me for years now.

I'm an alpha tester for MSFS 2020 and it does indeed look beautiful when flying in the sim -- but seeing it on just one screen is just so...confining.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Opus Software Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August-08-2020 at 3:17pm
I’m sure the functions will be added if they are not included in the SDK already. MS and AS seem very keen to provide continued development so FS2020 is just going to go strength to strength. It really is a momentous change in the flight sim world and I’m sure it will cater for all forms of home cockpit and multi screen set ups. Very exciting times indeed.

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Hi All,
 
I am now looking into preparing an OpusMSFS Live View product for the new MSFS Microsoft Flight Simulator (formerly FS2020). I will keep you informed of my progress.
 
I can now confirm (at present) it is not possible to produce Live Camera and Live Weather interfaces due to the limitations within the MSFS SimConnect SDK. At present there is no support for any camera related functions with the exception of 6DOF control (necessary for TrackIR support). Also all weather related SimConnect functions have been depreciated as there seems little point or need for any external weather engine within the sim at this point in time.
 
A Live View server-client update should be possible though. I will also be preparing drivers (interfaces) for the FSC 737 Motorised (or unmotorised) Throttle Quadrants, CPFlight‘s 737 MCP and EFIS panels, and most likely a GDL90 interface for SkyDemon and ForeFlight iPad navigation packages.
 
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In addition to the above I should be able to include ButtKicker control.

I can confirm the client-side Live View Test is working, so the position / attitude control within MSFS using SimConnect is functioning.

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Stephen,
Can you explain a little more about what you are working on?  I am not familiar with your product.

I have a C172 style home cockpit.  See video below.  XP11 allows me to set up multiple monitors, with the proper angles for the 3 monitors.

I was really hoping that FS2020 would allow the same, but so far that does not seem to be the case.  

It sounds like your product will allow for multiple instances of the flight sim to run on the same, or networked computers, and share data between them, allowing for independent views on monitors.  Is that correct?

I would really love to get FS2020 up and running on 3 monitors with the ability to adjust the camera views of each.

What kind of performance hit would there be running 3 instances of FS2020 on a single PC?


Thank you!
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As far as MSFS 2020 is concerned you will have to run MSFS on each PC (just as people need to do with FSX or P3D using Live View). You will also need to create and select the MSFS view on your client PC. This should be quite easy to create, saving it as a Custom View on the client MSFS sim. Live View will not be able to assist in this as there’s no support for view selection in the new MSFS SDK.

Live View will keep the client sim in sync regarding the aircraft’s position, attitude, and status. This sync process will allow the ‘non flying’ client sim to be used to display additional scenic views. At present it doesn’t appear to be possible to sync cloud positions or ground traffic.

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OK, so it would require 3 computers for the 3 different views then.  Hmm...  Might not be an option at the moment.  I thought maybe there would be a way to run 3 instances on the same PC, and connect them that way.

Thanks for the explanation.  

Clouds rendering different on 3 monitors would look really strange.  LOL
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I cannot say for sure what the cloud rendering would be like on multiple MSFS systems as I have not completed the software yet. In FSX and P3D the clouds are fully synchronised by our weather engine and only two computers would be needed on these systems (two windowed views on the client).

Running multiple instances of MSFS on the same PC would not be an option purely on performance grounds. There’s a heck of a lot of CPU and GPU processing going on just to render the clouds and scenery for the one MSFS sim. The views, atmospherics, clouds, and scenery are simply awesome though.

The purpose of Live View though is to offload processing and display handling into client PCs. Not to simply run multiple instances of the sim. Windowed views do that already in FSX and P3D running just a single instance, but views required a great deal of processing, hence the need to offload onto additional PCs.

As for the number of PCs, I don’t think MSFS supports Windowed views at present so yes, three PCs might be needed.

But it’s very early days for MSFS yet. Things will improve, including support for cockpit builders.

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UPDATE

I have got the prototype FSISERVER, FSICLIENT, FSIBKCTRL, OPUSFSCTQ programs ready. The server and client software for the MSFS Live View feature including support for an ipad SkyDemon / ForeFlight GDL90 WIFI interface, ButtKicker style vibration devices, and FSC 737 Throttle Quadrants. The current objective is to include the following features and options,

1. Live View allowing one or more client MSFS systems.
2. SkyDemon or ForeFlight GDL90 WIFI (iPad) interface.
3. ButtKicker (or similar audio controlled) vibration device.
4. FSC 737-TQ Throttle Quadrant (motorised and unmotorised).
5. CPFlight MCP and EFIS (X2) panel support.

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 Update

Started testing the new OpusMSFS FSIBKCTRL ButtKicker control program for the MS Flight Simulator. Should have a Beta available fairly soon. Most likely for current OpusFSI users to try out.

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This is seriously exciting.  I'll be watching for the beta when you're ready for folks to try it.

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Has there been any progress on LiveView for MSFS 2020?
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Yes. I have prepared most of the software for Live View, Live View Test, ButtKicker, GDL90 SkyDemon/ForeFlight interface, CPflight MCP/EFIS interface, and the FSC TQ Throttle Quadrant. I have conducted some successful tests on Live View Test and general Live View operation, tested their GDL90 interface, and some of the ButtKicker and TQ software.

I will be continuing with these tests and will report on my progress.

The work has been hampered slightly by the SimConnect problems in MSFS which hopefully will be fixed in the next patch. At present no external (SimConnect) add on software is recommended as using SimConnect greatly affects the MSFS frame rate. Once this problem is rectified by MS and Asobo then full Live View testing will be possible.

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Live View testing is near complete.

You may be interested to know I am currently testing OpusMSFS Live View software for the new MSFS 2020 simulator. The OpusMSFS Live View is fully compatible with previous OpusFSI versions which allows the new MSFS 2020 to be used to provide 'out of the cockpit' views whilst still using FSX/P3D as the main flying sim.

I am hoping this will allow a smooth transition path for those with FSX or P3D home cockpits.

For example, a single MSFS licence could be used for an OpusMSFS client and the client set up to drive a triple 1080p or 1440 monitor display. Alternatively, multiple MSFS clients can be employed to drive a multi monitor system.

Of course there might be slight differences in terrain height to account for but it is an interesting prospect.

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I should be able to automatically offset the ground elevation differences between the two sims allowing a mismatch of sim types. Hence, home cockpit builders currently using FSX or P3D as their flying sim will be able to use the new MSFS to provide their ‘out of cockpit’ scenic views.

They would need OpusFSI v5 or v6 on the main ‘flying’ server and a single OpusMSFS client. The MSFS client would easily be able to drive into three 1080p or 1440 monitors providing magnificent world-wide scenery.

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I will prepare a Beta soon. The initial OpusMSFS Beta with Live View, ButtKicker, and SkyDemon/ForeFlight interface will be freely available to all licensed OpusFSI v5 and v6 users until it’s ready for release.

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The mixed-simulator idea is very interesting!  You specifically talk about a two-PC setup. Is there any limitation for this mixed-sim approach?  I currently use 6 PCs for my simulator -- one "flying" PC and 5 "scenery" PCs (I'm using 4K displays; trying to put more than one monitor on any of my client PCs at that resolution just doesn't work well).

I've loaded MSFS 2020 on my "flying" PC.  I'd planned to buy one more copy of MSFS for my 'forward' view client to experiment with once you beta was ready.  I'll still likely do that, but can fiddle with continuing to use P3Dv5 on my other four clients.  That will be an interesting experiment!

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There shouldn’t be any limitation, I just don’t have any idea how the clouds will (or won’t) sync in MSFS. At present it’s not possible to clock sync (I will look into that again) so clock sync may need to be manual, plus all sims will need internet access so bandwidth may be an issue unless you cache the scenery.

No limitations in OpusMSFS though.

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Of course even if we have partial success I will report our findings to MS and Asobo. They may be able to provide greater support for this or a better multi PC solution, which would be great, even if that meant Live View was no longer necessary.

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Of course, OpusMSFS will also allow MSFS to be used on both server and client, or any combination of FSX, P3D, and MSFS installed on the server and clients. I will have to post updates to both OpusFSI v5 and v6 for this so the same Auto Height Adjustment can be performed on the client systems.

I have been 100% successful using a combination of two client options. The Auto Height Adjustment option and an Enable Axis Offset option. I’ve needed to adjust both, easily achieved when sat on the ground.

The Auto Height Adjustment option accommodates the height (ground elevation) difference between the differing sim types (scenery differences).

The Enable Axis Offset options Vertical Axis offset setting accommodates the height differences between the differing sim aircraft selections (aircraft axis differences).

You generally need to use both options to get perfect position data matching.

I will provide these options in the client Config dialog in OpusFSI v5, v6, and the new OpusMSFS.

I’m sure MS and Asobo will look at supporting multi PC systems in the future. I’ve also asked for additional data access so that I can complete drivers for CPFlight MCP and EFIS panels. I’ve asked for full data access to support NAV and COM panels. My FSC TQ throttle quadrant driver is 99% complete, supporting motorised and unmotorised TQs.

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The initial prototype beta of OpusMSFS has now been posted, see Announcements on this forum.
 
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Hi Stephen,

thanks for bringing us this beta version so fast. 
I was eagerly waiting for it to use my buttkicker.
Unfortunately it is not working for me. Hopefully this is the right place for discussing problems with the beta? 

First of all. I'm running Win 7 and P3D with the Opus software on my 1st SSD. 
I have installed Win 10 and MSFS 2020 on my 2nd SSD.

Under Win 7 and P3D the Buttkicker software is perfectly working.
However under Win 10 Pro 64bit build 2004 (19041.488) and MSFS 2020 it is not working correctly.

I have only installed Beta Version 1.00.00 and clicked vcredist_x64.exe and SlimDX Runtime .NET 4.0 x64 (January 2012).msi in the folder afterwards. I hope this is correct?
The buttkicker itself is responding fine with the FSIBKCTRL.EXE file being opened separately. I successfully get all the bumps from the test mode. However I'm not able to connect it with the sim since FSISERVER.EXE cannot be opened.
After clicking FSISERVER.EXE as admin or without admin rights I always see a blank window for 5 seconds and then the window closes again.

The log file only shows this:

OpusMSFS Flight Simulator Interface

Log Generated Freitag, 11. September 2020, 17:18 Hrs 

Installed Folder: C:\OPUSMSFS

FSIGENCOM Initialise: OK

Is there any other log file? Other simconnect programs Little Navmap, SpadNext etc are working fine. I have no virus scanner or firewall installed. Everything is windows standard. There is hardly any software on this Win 10 system since I have set up everything pretty new especially for MSFS.

Any help would be greatly appreciated!

Thank you so much!

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Hi,

You will need to only run FSISERVER.EXE and then enable the ButtKicker option in the FSISERVER Config dialog.

The ButtKicker driver FSIBKCTRL will only function when it is activated with and driven by FSISERVER. So you need MSFS and FSISERVER running.

For FSISERVER to run you need a valid OpusFSI v5 or v6 licence installed in c:\Opus Software folder.

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FSISERVER also needs Internet access so allow it through your firewall.

So first get FSISERVER to run, check Spy to ensure it connects to MSFS via SimConnect.

Once running and connected open Config and enable ButtKicker option. FSISERVER will run FSIBKCTRL automatically.

Let me know as MSFS is new as far as SimConnect is concerned.

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Is there a valid OpusFSI v5 or v6 licence installed on your system?

After FSIGENCOM initialises it will validate then the licence validity checks are performed and logged.

I am going to set up a clean system here to test on. Report back.

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"Is there a valid OpusFSI v5 or v6 licence installed on your system?"

No..not on my Win 10 system! Only on the SSD with Win 7. Do I need to install the normal OpusFSI V5, which I have purchased for P3D, on my Win 10 SSD as well?

I have deactivated Windows Defender temporarily under system settings but the same error occurs.


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I’ve recreated the problem and I’m looking it it.
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FSIGENCOM.log has an error code 10 so I’m looking at that now.
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OK found the problem.
 
The msi on the server was corrupt and was not loading a file, it even blocked my attempts to update it. I've now deleted the corrupt file and posted a new beta msi (same version 1.00.00).
 
Best uninstall, delete the OpusMSFS folder, download new OpusMSFS.msi file and install again.
 
This time you should see an OpusFSI.dat file in the install folder and all should be fine.
 
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Hi Stephen, thank you :)

The program is starting fine now. However I have problems to activate my license. Copying the P3D license file from C:\Opus Software\OpusFSI_v5.lic from the Win 7 SSD to the folder C:\Opus Software\OpusFSI_v5.lic on the Win 10 SSD is not working.

Another question. Does it make sense to set or somehow deactivate the live view scan rate since I'm only using the buttkicker option in your software. Or will the other options not negatively impact the performance of the sim?
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All licences are hardware specific so the lic file cannot be moved from system to system.

You will need to re install your licence on the new PC. See the HOW TO REINSTALL SimForums topic.

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If not using Live View then keep the configured number of clients to zero. In such circumstances the scan rate is irrelevant. On your system simply enable the ButtKicker option then when FSISERVER starts the FSIBKCTRL program configure the BK Options in the usual manner.

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Glad to hear. I will look to improving it over time if the new MSFS SDK allows.

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Hi Stephen, Im still using your MSFS beta. The program itself works fine. There are however some minor things that could be fixed. When starting the program I always need to select the USB soundcard new. That means the setting is not saved. And before I can feel the bumps either through test mode or in the game I need to press the configure button first. After I did that the buttkicker starts to respond. It would be nice if all that would be happening automatically in the background with the option to have the program minimized. Thanks for your good work!
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Ok Thanks, I’ll check it.

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I will post OpusMSFS Beta version 1.00.03 today so you can try that.
 
Before running first delete your current c:\OpusMSFS\FSIBKCTRL.DAT file. After the BKCTRL program has started, configure it and position the form and its Spy window on the screen. Close its Spy window, then close the BKCTRL program. The FSISERVER should automatically restart the BKCTRL program. It should appear in the same place and all configuration in tact.
 
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