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 Posted: September-07-2020 at 8:28am |
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My flights are mostly domestic in the UK. But i did feel the frames drop around Heathrow Airport
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Posted: September-07-2020 at 9:14am |
What does Edinburgh, your home location look like? Does it look real and correct from the air? Do the aircraft you fly have a real world feel to them in terms of being a pilot? Or don't you know? That's what MS is banking on! I think the addict term for the 12 step program at the end of the meeting is: Keep coming back! We learned that in Psych 101 55 years ago
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Posted: September-07-2020 at 9:15am |
That is exactly my impression with it. There are scenery glitches all over the place and they aren't hard to find. 2-level lakes and such. "And all of which can be fixed if you buy our scenery upgrade." MFSF2020 is banking on the initial wow factor of the scenery in general but is also banking on users looking closer at their particular areas of interest and wanting better scenery. Unless users are willing to fork out more money for more realistic scenery, it is no better that FSX with better sky scenery. The aircraft flight dynamics are absolutely no better than FSX.
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Posted: September-07-2020 at 9:33am |
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I need to do more flying around Edinburgh area to get a feel of my home city. But i’m away for 5 days up North for a holiday. Let me test when i get back.
But so far i’m happy to run MS2020 stock scenery and ditch Orbx addon scenery. I’m not spending thousands for a PC upgrade for MS2020 to run high / ultra settings just to get that wow factor. I’m happy to Fly P3D still and my 737 cockpit doing flights as my system runs well and looks great and with V5
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Posted: September-07-2020 at 9:41am |
I haven't even seen it yet and everything I am reading thus far defines they learned from years of watching <unnamed> how to work the addicts except they are going to do it one city and popular location at a time instead of one entire region at a time And are there any real aircraft available past the initial default offering or just promises? MS Flight failed because it looked like FSX and had a cash register for everything. So they dressed it up this time? I don't know Still paying off the fridge and water filtration system here. |
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Posted: September-07-2020 at 9:57am |
OK you have been to NYC where it is blurry but don't know what your home area looks like I would have been all over my home area on first boot this is the BS MS is banking on. With most aircraft designed for nothing more than a photo op. thanks for reinforcing my point. Buy that new hardware... and buy those scenery updates and for god sakes.. look at your own home town!
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Posted: September-07-2020 at 10:40am |
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Just fired up the sim before leaving with the wife haha.
I used my smaller gaming PC monitor and set Edinburgh Airport with Ultra settings and it’s beautiful i must say. Infact the whole flight was smooth flying around my city at 1000ft in the NEO. Flying conditions was clear skys so thats why it was so smooth maybe? I need to do further tests when i get back. It does look awesome but i’m scared to test ultra settings on my main PC monitor which is 78” 4k.
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Posted: September-07-2020 at 12:19pm |
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This isn't AVSIM... next |
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Posted: September-07-2020 at 1:16pm |
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I never broke Rules 1,2,3 :)
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Posted: September-07-2020 at 7:46pm |
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Guru3D has done a performance oriented review of MSFS 2020. I hope it gets periodically updated:
This answers my "how much vram" question, I definitely want at least 16GB. With MSFS 2020 10GB is only now-proof, it that. Though interestingly, even with adequate vram in the super-dense terrain area they used to pull in +10GB, it still stuttered irregardless. One of their final comments is telling:
Reading between the lines here, why the meager performance of the 2080ti at 1920x1080? Definitely not a gcard issue. So in the end, this is just like it's always been with M S F S...always chasing rainbows for that elusive "perfect settings with perfect performance." |
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Posted: September-07-2020 at 10:58pm |
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Thank you Rod.. good stuff. Everyone can clearly see now what I was saying earlier in the thread about what Nvidia is up to with this Vram game they are playing with their new cards.
Interesting processor response too..
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Posted: September-07-2020 at 11:01pm |
I never said you did. I like optimism but what I do not appreciate is blind statements made that when questioned turn out to be a parade of horse manure. I do appreciate the honesty in responses when questioned about the statements made. In this forum I want folks to get both sides of the picture without the 76 Trombone parade. understand?
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Posted: September-08-2020 at 8:08am |
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Roger understood.
I know for a fact if i want to continue to use MS2020 my current i74770k on my large 78” 4k TV i will need to run every from low - medium settings thats for sure. Thats until i upgrade my system. |
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Posted: September-08-2020 at 2:33pm |
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I think a lot of folks are in that hardware upgrade situation. The question is, is it worth a 4000 dollar computer system replacement cost to run 60 dollar app with a never ending cash register attached to it.
I am in the camp of wait till the dust seriously settles for some months and see where the surprises they have in store to spring out of nowhere start popping up and the reality of going down that path becomes better defined. It also allows time to find out if any decently designed aircraft with realistic function will begin to appear.
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Posted: September-08-2020 at 3:44pm |
Exactly where I am. The only reason I even tried it is that a friend of mine just knew I needed it and bought the standard version for me. Against my wishes, by the way.
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Posted: September-08-2020 at 5:57pm |
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Looking at the video memory draw and the cards coming, I have to apply "What will that look like in 3-5 years" and I don't think the required video memory is going to go DOWN.
It really is a shame because the primary difference between the 3080 and 3090 is a 384 bus which I have always gone for, and, 14GB of video memory and if that price is right then to be secure for 5+ years and not have to buy another card, user is paying 57 dollars more per gig of Vram. Its a "DOESNT MATTER, YOU WILL PAY ME NOW or YOU PAY ME LATER" and they thought that out really well.EDIT: I would have taken the 384 bus with 14GB and that should be based on their math, $928.00 You watch after the initial 9-10 month or so grab and just in time for next Christmas, they will probably will come out with a higher video memory card and that is the one they are counting on selling (!again! and the one after that) when everyone figures out 10GB just doesn't cut it anymore. |
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Posted: September-09-2020 at 3:43pm |
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Regarding a system upgrade, am i best to start a fresh install of windows for both my SSD drives for my new MOB and CPU OC? Or can i just install the SSD and avoid wiping everything? The pain of starting fresh again haha
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Posted: September-09-2020 at 4:28pm |
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You can never migrate a OS install between platforms.. clean start
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Posted: September-09-2020 at 5:16pm |
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Understood, thanks
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Posted: September-10-2020 at 3:46pm |
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Do you think its worth Over clocking my CPU with a professional company -
Just for that extra frames? Because that CPU and todays latest GPUs can almost run MS2020 and P3D efficiently without OC? Thanks
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Posted: September-10-2020 at 3:50pm |
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I don't know.
I don't know how they clock in terms of is it a 'real clock' or is it 'This looks good, they won't know the difference because it says 5GHz but its only 1-2 cores on high voltages so we look great and get paid" and I don't know if they stand by their work in terms of damage if they screw up.
But one thing I do know, if you don't know what you are doing you best let someone else do it even if it is only a partial job. And then, stay out of the BIOS or any Windows software overclocking tools and DON'T TOUCH IT
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Posted: September-10-2020 at 5:14pm |
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No idea. I would imagine overclockers uk would be good. I’ll certainly wouldn’t be touching anything myself in the BIOS
Is this not Automatic overclock - Max Turbo Frequency: 5.30 GHz |
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Posted: September-10-2020 at 5:36pm |
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Hi Nick,
Hope you have been keeping well. Still enjoy reading your views/comments on a regular basis even if I haven't posted in a while. Just a quick question, I am due for an upgrade, but following your recommendation, wait for a GTX3080 video card with more than 10GB of RAM and for MSFS to get out a Service Pack which is good advice. Is it also worthwhile waiting for Intel to release a CPU (Rocket Lake?) which will have PCIe 4.0 for the benefits of the newer SSD's etc? Thanks & Regards Dave |
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Posted: September-10-2020 at 5:43pm |
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And finally, there is always something new and improved in hardware coming down the road. When dealing with buying new generation hardware, do research the purchases and if all looks good set a goal for a purchase date based on new hardware release date and if design issues do not appear in a reasonable amount of time follow through with your purchase and don't daydream about what is coming in 4-6-12 months.. people wont get anywhere that way because they will be daydreaming about the release coming 4-6 months after the one they were dreaming about in the first round! |
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Posted: September-10-2020 at 6:46pm |
Oh let me tell you something right now... MAX 5.30? that's horse manure that will definitely be a 1-2 core make it look good (with perhaps little jumps to 5.3 for the peanut gallery clue word (MAX)) because even professional overclockers are not running that speed 24/7 on all cores in tandem with full cache support without some seriously dangerous voltages/cooling and especially with DDR4 high speed/low latency memory so just be aware of the sales routine Like I said.. don't know what you are doing? Let someone else do it and take what you can get even if it's 75-80% horse manure |
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Posted: September-10-2020 at 7:13pm |
I was almost banking on you referring me to that Nick  As I am in no hurry to upgrade, do you think PCIe 4.0 will enhance MSFS2020? thanks Dave |
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Posted: September-10-2020 at 8:34pm |
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I don't know... THIRD BASE!
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Posted: September-11-2020 at 12:00am |
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I suppose you don't have an opinion on what Pot Plant would look best on top of the Computer case either huh?
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Posted: September-11-2020 at 1:12am |
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Sure!
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Posted: September-11-2020 at 5:49am |
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Cheers Nick!
I think i’m going to leave this OC and run it stock with a new GTX GPU thats due out soon. This processor and GPU is more than capable running MS2020 without an OC
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The proc comes with a max turbo boost of 5.3 on 1 core by default, but let me tell you that also doesn't mean the proc runs that at all times under heavy load. It fluctuates the single core speed probably hitting 5.3 very rarely. Overclocking means all cores are at the set speed at all load times, and, the cache is boosted to stay in better communication line with the core speed.
They are probably just going to hit the AI Cooling Training and Automatic Performance Boost buttons in the BIOS to let the system test/train and boost that a little more and sell you that as a overclocking job because they know you are not sure about messing with a BIOS and don't want to do it yourself. I seriously doubt a professional clocker is going to personally test every component in that tower for defects, burn test the system in and verify the burn, then begin the process of finding the highest stable core/cache speed on the lowest, and MORE IMPORTANT 'safest' voltages possible testing and retesting along the way and in the process spend several (required) days doing it right. There is no 1-2-3 to proper overclocking. There is no 'SET THIS, IT DOES THAT, ITS RIGHT.. send it to the customer. Every built system can have different clocking characteristics as well as different voltage needs even on identical hardware. Therefore it is no wham-bam-slam, DONE! Proper guides from experience and understanding of platform behavior can speed things up if the person doing it knows what they are doing, but you are not getting a professionally clocked system from a high volume system builder for less than an additional 800-1000 dollars due to the time/labor alone. You are getting a fast and dirty boost and who knows where they leave voltages for that. I have seen those so called boosted setups whacking VCCIO and VCCSA @ well above 1.30v (the Intel limit which is high to begin with) |
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I could get any horse manure for an OC on my new CPU and I wouldn’t even know! So your advice is taking on board and i’ll skip the OC for sure.
And your exactly right a proper clocked CPU would take days and would definitely cost in the region you quoted. Because no one would spend days hard testing the components for 100 bucks. I remember my i74770k got OC by the company i got it from and when i discovered your Webpage and Haswell guid the OC failed on every test with minutes. Definitely a Wham-bam-slam job!!! Well thanks and i appreciate the heads up. |
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That's exactly what they count on... you could probably go into the BIOS and under the AI Overclock tuning menu train that system to do the same thing they are going to do for 100 bucks except you click the 3 buttons instead them.
AND you have to agree to the big red box warning in the BIOS to do it just like they do.
Now, should you do that? LOL!! If you don't know what you are doing, or. what you should be looking at or looking for after the fact.... don't do it.!! Put the 100 bucks elsewhere Now, if you do that and sit there and say... oh wow COOL I save 100 bucks and I am running far better, and 1-3 years later things become seriously UNCOOL then you no have no one to blame but yourself.. I doubt their warranty would cover anything past the 1st year at best and comes with some funky little fine print you won't ever read about that red box they clicked for you. <another rip-off CLUE> |
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For that reason i’m out. How can you actually trust them to OC all cores.
One great benefit of having a homecockpit is not running an addon aircraft like the A320 you certainly gain a lot of frames back. If i hold off on a new system and get the new RTX Instead would my i74770k benefit this with MS2020?
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Posted: September-12-2020 at 2:50pm |
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Read this about the RTX3080 and i74770k
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Posted: September-12-2020 at 3:30pm |
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You ain't playing games!
That flighsim code all the way around is still a CPU and memory bandwidth eaterBut hey.. try it and see. May be fine for other games
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I need to pull that trigger and get a new system and stop wasting your time haha. There is no other way around it.
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Posted: September-12-2020 at 7:49pm |
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So do I ha ha
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Its all top dollar hardware so i’ve gotta pay the price. Or maybe i can hold off for a little longer as MS2020 plays nicely with reasonable graphic settings as i’m not running that big 3D cockpit which eats up alot of resources.
I’ve turned off Anisotropic filtering and Texture supersampling as I’m running 4k 78” TV. Looks just the same with or without it. Also that rendering scale hammers my system above 100 so i keep it at 100 and i get no stutters.
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Posted: September-13-2020 at 6:44am |
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Also Nick why is the RTX3080 so cheap? Its like 650 in the uk
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