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Opus Software ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: April-12-2012 Location: Grantham, UK Points: 15442 |
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Beta Version 3.11.1 has now been posted with the PMDG formats added to the SID and STAR Reports. I have also corrected an error in accessing or locating the SID and STAR data. So now if you are not using the standard Navigraph Navdata then you should identify the location of your Navdata folder, named NAVDATA in PMDG.
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electric man ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: November-22-2012 Location: Thailand Points: 470 |
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Hi Stephen, installed latest version, SID and STAR report says "no sids or stars found", changed the navaids folder from the iFly 737 to the "navdata" folder wich came with Opus but still the same, I enterd flightplans and tested at 2 airports, VTBS and EBBR with no luck, what am I doing wrong or do I walk to fast again?
Herman
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russianspd ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: November-23-2012 Location: California Points: 763 |
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If you are using a SID, most SID's are designated for certain runways, that could be a decisive factor for which runway to use. (My past previous suggestion was based on depending on SID and winds would choose a runway or suggest a most likely runway) |
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knackered ![]() New Member ![]() Joined: November-19-2012 Points: 15 |
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Hi Stephen,
no simple answer to a question like that since it would really depend on the type of aircraft and route (short/medium/long haul). I think a good rule of thumb would be for the user to specify min and max Flight Levels and have the FPA generate reports in increments of 2000ft for those levels (eg. minFL-29000 / maxFL - 35000) the FPA could report for 29K, 31K, 33K and 35K, wind speed, direction and temperature at each of the waypoints in the flight plan. One report for each FL and the user could select the relevant FL and either print it out or view it in a separate window. This system would be more suited to long haul flights rather than short/medium. For the short/medium group the current practice of 2000ft above/below specified max could work fine. Tony
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knackered ![]() New Member ![]() Joined: November-19-2012 Points: 15 |
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Above post was in response to your question, Stephen. ![]() |
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Opus Software ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: April-12-2012 Location: Grantham, UK Points: 15442 |
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You only need to identify a folder that is not <FSX>\Navigraph\Navdata, such as the PMDG set in <FSX>\PMDG\NAVDATA. The FPA will check the standard Navigraph and the OpusFSX Navigraph folders automatically. If you select a specific Navdata folder then the standard SIDs and STARs are expected to be in a sub-folder named 'Proc', for example <FSX>\Navigraph\Navdata\Proc. All PMDG SIDs and STARs are expected to be stored in the <FSX>\PMDG\SIDSTARS folder. Bottom line, check your Navdata folder (if you are not using the standard) and check for a Proc sub-folder, yours may be called something different, if so let me know and I will add it to the checks. The OpusFSX Navdata does not include SIDs and STARs since the data is about 35Mb. Stephen
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electric man ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: November-22-2012 Location: Thailand Points: 470 |
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That's why, the iFly 737 folder has inside the navdata folder 2 seperate folders, one called SIDS and one called STARS so this will never work?
Herman
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Opus Software ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: April-12-2012 Location: Grantham, UK Points: 15442 |
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OK. I will add a checks for these folders. But can you look in the folders, are the files labelled in the form ICAO.txt. Can you email me, or paste a sample of each of the file contents here, so I can ensure they can be decoded.
Stephen
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Opus Software ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: April-12-2012 Location: Grantham, UK Points: 15442 |
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Best email me a copy of your EGLL.txt SID and STAR files so I can check them and add their decoding formats.
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electric man ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: November-22-2012 Location: Thailand Points: 470 |
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Just send the two folders from the iFly, much luck with them.
Herman
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Opus Software ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: April-12-2012 Location: Grantham, UK Points: 15442 |
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Recieved them. The files have different names (EGKK.sid and EGKK.star) and also a different format so I will have to change the software to first look for the sub-folder names and then look for the .sid and .star file extensions, and of course decode the different file content.
Stephen
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Opus Software ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: April-12-2012 Location: Grantham, UK Points: 15442 |
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What about the other Navdata in the iFly folder, does it have a iFly\NavData sub-folder?
Are the files called Navais.txt and Waypoints.txt? It may be that all the Navdata in the iFly folder has a completely diferrent format and naming convention. I will need this info before being able to incorporate the iFly data. Stephen
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electric man ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: November-22-2012 Location: Thailand Points: 470 |
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These 2 are subfolders of the navdata folder and the navaids.txt and waypoints.txt are there else it wouldn't have worked so far for the enroute METARS but none of them contains the stars and sids, only these 2 subfolders and they can be opend with notepad and are readable in there.
Sorry for the late reply, was out for some time but now I'm home for the rest of the day so all the time to assist you.
Herman
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Opus Software ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: April-12-2012 Location: Grantham, UK Points: 15442 |
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No problem, I had to check that everything else was standard Navigraph. I will add the iFly folders,file names, and decoding format to the existing checks. You would still identify your <FSX>\Navdata folder and the FPA will do the rest, recognising the iFly folder and .sid and .star files.
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solentlfyer ![]() New Member ![]() Joined: May-13-2013 Location: Fareham, UK Points: 29 |
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Stephen, I'm not sure the content of my iFly 737NG navdata folder agrees with "electric man".
I have the SIDS and STARS folders and the following files (similar to PMDG): airports.dat cycle_info.txt fmc_ident.txt wpNavAID.txt wpNavAPT.txt wpNavFIX.txt wpNavRTE.txt Best regards, Dennis |
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Opus Software ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: April-12-2012 Location: Grantham, UK Points: 15442 |
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That's ok. The software decodes the Navdata according to the file name, so it would recognise these as PMDG type format. Thanks for the info.
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electric man ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: November-22-2012 Location: Thailand Points: 470 |
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Hi solentflyer, they are the same as mine but it's only the two that Stephen asked for that matter for Opus ,the wp in front doesn't matter, Opus decodes them the correct way so don't worry, everything up to now worked fine with the iFly737, for the Wilco airbusses though it's an other pair of sleaves, they have a separate folder called "nd", probably short for navdata and the one exel file wich contains everything from waypoints to ICAO's and sids and stars. This folder is used for every airplane variation, weather it's the evolution series 1 or 2 and maybe other Feelthere aircraft aswell but that I don't know since I don't have them.
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solentlfyer ![]() New Member ![]() Joined: May-13-2013 Location: Fareham, UK Points: 29 |
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Thanks for the clarification Stephen/Herman, much appreciated.
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betampona ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: December-14-2012 Points: 116 |
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Hello, in the report SidStarReport.txt I end up with a list of SID and STAR are what is useful? because I have the same in my FMC.
For me depending on the wind should give me the authorized and knowing my way a range of SID track should make available, so is the finish. Happy flying to you Bonjour, dans le rapport SidStarReport.txt je me retrouve avec un listing de SID et de STAR quel est sont utilité ? car j'ai le même dans mon FMC. Pour moi en fonction du vent on devrait me donner la piste autorisé et connaissant ma route un éventail de SID devrait mettre proposé, c'est pareil pour l'arrivée . Bons vols à vous |
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Opus Software ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: April-12-2012 Location: Grantham, UK Points: 15442 |
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What is useful ... simple ... look at the distance, heading or direction at the end of each SID or STAR.
You do NOT have that information on your FMC or GPS. Please read the Coming Soon topic for a description of WHY these SIDs and STARs were included. The distance and heading/direction gives you some idea where the SIDs are departing to, and where the STARs are arriving from. Hence making it easy to select the most relevent SID or STAR for your flight without having prior knowledge or having the charts, far easier than staring at a bunch of possibly meaningless names on the FMC or GPS. Deciding on a runway given the wind is very easy, you should not need any help with that task. For me to do that and save you the simple task, I would have to supply another Navdata file from Navigraph containing all the runway information; read and decode the airports file, then do some simple arithmetic and show what I think is the best runway, which may not be the runway selected within FSX ! Stephen
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solentlfyer ![]() New Member ![]() Joined: May-13-2013 Location: Fareham, UK Points: 29 |
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I also believe this information is really useful - when departing from/arriving at an airport with numerous SIDS/STARS, it can be quite tedious to have to page through 5 or 6 pages of SID/STAR names on an FMC with no idea as to which may be the most relevant.
This report will allow us to easily filter this long list down to the 2 or 3 (at most) that are relevant and then find further information from charts etc for those selected if required. Best regards, Dennis |
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electric man ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: November-22-2012 Location: Thailand Points: 470 |
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Hi Stephen, tested the latest beta but still no luck for the iFly737, it still says no SIDS found.
Herman
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Opus Software ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: April-12-2012 Location: Grantham, UK Points: 15442 |
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You must identify your <FSX>\iFly\Navdata folder within the Flight Plan Options dialog, the software then will look for your <FSX>\iFly\SIDS and STARS folders and the enclosed .sid and .star files.
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electric man ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: November-22-2012 Location: Thailand Points: 470 |
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Did that, even tried pointing it directly to the "SID" folder and still no luck?
Herman
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Opus Software ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: April-12-2012 Location: Grantham, UK Points: 15442 |
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Pointless directing it directly to the SID folder that's not what the software is expecting.
As mentioned above the software is looking for <FSX>\iFly\SIDS and <FSX>\iFly\STARS folders, plural SIDS and STARS not singular SID and STAR. You must identify your <FSX>\iFly\Navdata folder. Check you have the expected folders and files installed at those locations and are they in the expected formats and using the expected file names (e.g. EGKK.sid, EGKK.star) ? Stephen |
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electric man ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: November-22-2012 Location: Thailand Points: 470 |
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That's nowhere, the iFly doesn't come with SIDS and STARS in .txt format, that's why I send the folders to you to see if you could find a way to decode them. I only have the iFly 737 and the Feelthere airbusses wich come with even a total different format, if these can't be recognised by your software than people not having a PMDG add on because it's to haevy on the older systems can't use the SID and STAR thing and that would be a pitty.
Herman
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Opus Software ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: April-12-2012 Location: Grantham, UK Points: 15442 |
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The zip file you sent me does contain the .sid and .star text formatted files, and I have modified the software in the latest beta version 3.11.2.
Please confirm you have the above folders installed on your system, I need to know since this is what I was led to believe existed. I will have a quick check here using your supplied SIDS and STARS files. Stephen
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Opus Software ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: April-12-2012 Location: Grantham, UK Points: 15442 |
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Herman
I have just created an <FSX>\iFly\Navdata folder and copied all your supplied files into <FSX>\iFly\SIDS and <FSX>\iFly\STARS folders. I have then decoded all your SIDS and STARS data with absolutely no problem. Make sure the software can access your folders and then check yourself that the relevant ICAO.sid and ICAO.star files exist. I assume you are running FSX and have specified your destination, and are located at an airport that has SIDs. Stephen
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electric man ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: November-22-2012 Location: Thailand Points: 470 |
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I put the following link in Opus C:\programfiles\FSX\iFly\navdata bud it doesn't work, I don't see any .txt formats in the subfolders "SIDS" and "STARS" only extensions like .sid, .sidtrs, .star etc, they can be opend however with notepad and look like a .txt format then but standard they're not.
I used the good folder in the FPL from Opus els the METAR thing wouldn't have worked and with that there is no problem because the navaids and waypoints are in .txt format.
Herman
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Opus Software ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: April-12-2012 Location: Grantham, UK Points: 15442 |
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All the .sid and .star ARE text format assuming they are the same files you sent me.
I have done the exact same thing here and it works so your system is either stopping the FSXSERVER program accessing these files or you have missed something that I have mentioned above. Are the SIDS and STARS sub-folders, sub-folders of <FSX>iFly or <FSX>\iFly\Navdata ? Have you checked the sharing, sharing permissions, and security permissions on these folders. Stephen
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electric man ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: November-22-2012 Location: Thailand Points: 470 |
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The FSX folder already was shared, I shared the iFly folder extra and the navdata folder inside to just to be on the sure side and no, it doesn't work and I don't know what you did in unzipping what I send you, I zipped a copy of the SID folder, deleted the copy and then unzipped the zip but I don't see any .txt format files inside?? only the files with the extensions mentioned in a previous post
Herman
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electric man ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: November-22-2012 Location: Thailand Points: 470 |
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I just send you two files from within the SID folder by email, the ones from EGLL
Herman
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Opus Software ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: April-12-2012 Location: Grantham, UK Points: 15442 |
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You must check more than just sharing, please see above. You must check the sharing permissions AND security permissions, that's three separate checks.
I already have ALL your files installed on my system. You keep calling the folder SID, I assume you mean SIDS (plural), otherwise the LWE will no find it. Your .sid files are identical to mine, because mine are yours. Please fully check and even set your sharing and security permissions. Stephen
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electric man ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: November-22-2012 Location: Thailand Points: 470 |
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I checked all that and it is okay, I installed Windows XP pro myself on my system wich makes me the administrator, Opus can find the .txt files for the METAR and weather reports inside that exact same folder, the "SIDS" and "STARS" folders are two separate folders in the same "navdata" folder as mentioned above by solentflyer. I copied the navdata folder to C:\ and put that in Opus and still no luck.
Is there somebody else here with an iFly 737 willing to test this if it works on his system?
Herman
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Opus Software ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: April-12-2012 Location: Grantham, UK Points: 15442 |
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Being Administrator makes no difference, you are not the program. You will still have to check everything so the program can access the files.
You keep saying confusing things. Where exactly are the SIDS and STARS folders ? I mentioned above where they are expected to be. They must NOT be in the Navdata folder, but in the iFly folder as mentioned a few times above. My iFly works flawlessly with your navdata files. Stephen |
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Opus Software ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: April-12-2012 Location: Grantham, UK Points: 15442 |
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If your SIDS and STARS folders are in your Navdata folder then this is a different location than I first thought so I will have to modify the software to check for these sub-folders. Not sure if it already does this.
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electric man ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: November-22-2012 Location: Thailand Points: 470 |
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they are subfolders in the iFly 737 navdata folder like I mentioned several posts earlier. If I move them out of there then I'm scared the 737's FMC wont work anymore like it's suposed to.
Herman
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Opus Software ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: April-12-2012 Location: Grantham, UK Points: 15442 |
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Then clearly the software is looking in the wrong place. I have been trying to get confirmation from you of where these files are actually located, and have said where I was led to believe they were in the above posts and when the software was developed.
I will make the changes in the next beta. Stephen |
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peebee ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: August-10-2011 Location: Manchester UK Points: 663 |
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Hi Stephen and Herman.
If I point to c:/fsx/ifly/737NG/navdata then no SIDS or STARS show in the notepad window it reports none available or words to that effect. If I then change to point to c:/FSX/navigraph/navdata, then a full list shows up. Indicating as you said Stephen and as Herman has indicated that the Ifly navdata is not being interpreted. The ifly SIDS and STARS are in there own sub folders of /737ng/Navdata. The ifly 747 is set up in the same way. I suppose it explains why navigraph publish so many different modules because different sim houses have there own way of doing things. Ie the ifly won't work for PMDG. PMDG won't work with LevelD. LevelD won't work with wilco.....ect ect. Phil |
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Opus Software ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: April-12-2012 Location: Grantham, UK Points: 15442 |
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Herman's SIDS and STARS folders are actually in sub-folders of <FSX>\iFly\737NG\navdata, this is the folder that should be identified but the current beta will then look in <FSX>\iFly\737NG for the folders. I have changed the software so it will look in both places so provided you identify the 'navdata' folder to the FPA it should find them.
The mod will be in the next beta 3.12.0 which includes the client side control of the LWE, including client side entry of the user's flight plan, destination, cruise altitude etc.. Stephen |
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