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    Posted: May-23-2015 at 7:39pm
 
 
EDIT: THERE IS A METHOD TO DISABLE W10 BEING OFFERED THROUGH WINDOWS UPDATE LISTED AT THE END OF THIS POST
 
YOU MUST FIRST GET RID OF ALL THE KB's AS LISTED BELOW AND THEN CAN DISABLE ALL W10 UPDATING USING THE 2ND OUTLINE BELOW
 
 
This just happened to me so I am acutely aware of what these updates do..
 
 
I just came back from a trip and my logs show my system has been running CPU time without me being here and I tracked it down and removed two of the offending updates thinking I found them all..   then I found the system started running by itself and eating CPU with high disk access while I was using my system for productivity work and there is MORE involved.  This has to be the most intrusive nonsense I have ever seen Microsoft pull
 
 
Microsoft has decided to release updates that will EAT your memory and processor while your system runs. This was not a mistake. These updates are designed to constantly collect data about your computer for Windows 10. One of them will act like ADWARE and eventually pop up offering you Windows 10.
 
 
They will run in the background automatically with absolutely no control from the user to shut them down. They can use up to 25-35% of a quad core processor, 35-50% of a dual core and will run while you are using your computer regardless of that use OR when the system has a monitor sleep mode but the power profile is not set to sleep or hibernate.. The power profile any FS computer should be set to run HIGH PERFORMANCE in order to avoid any power management by MS during gaming operation.
 
 
This effects BOTH WINDOWS 7 and WINDOWS 8
 
 
To shut this nonsense down and make sure it does not come back, do the following
 
 
 
In Windows 7:
 
1. CONTROL PANEL - PROGRAMS AND FEATURES - on the side, click VIEW INSTALLED UPDATES
 
2. In the list that appears for the list of installed WINDOWS UPDATES, scroll down and locate the following updates in WINDOWS 7
 
KB2952664  
KB2990214 
KB3021917
KB3035583
KB2977759
KB2996978
KB3022345
KB3044374
KB3068708    
 
VERIFY EACH KB NUMBER BEFORE CONTINUING
 
3. UNINSTALL EACH UPDATE YOU FIND  - NOTE: When asked to reboot select LATER and continue until all those are uninstalled and remove them in the ORDER shown above
 
THEN REBOOT
 
Go back and check to see if those updates are all gone in the system..   if they are then check and see if you can still connect to Windows Update...    IF BOTH ARE TRUE SKIP TO #6 BELOW AND HIDE THE UPDATES AT WU.      You are done
 
If KB2952664 has come back or appears again, OR you cant connect to Windows Update and get a ERROR continue with #4 below after uninstalling KB2952664 again
 
 
Here is the kicker..  if you UNINSTALL KB2952664  many systems cant connect to Windows update anymore!   Really MS?  Punishment or dimwit strong-arm tactics?
 
 
4. Run this MS FIX IT tool
 
 
Run with the check box aggressive mode unchecked, let it finish, close and then rerun the tool again with the check in AGGRESSIVE
 
5. Once finished, reboot
 
The above repairs Windows update from not being able to run but BE AWARE it will CLEAN/FLUSH the Windows update 'history' list but wont remove the update list
 
6. Once rebooted run Windows Update in MANUAL MODE   do not let MS download and install updates automatically..   the updates I noted above should reappear in the list including KB2952664 right click them all and select HIDE
 
KB2952664  
KB2990214 
KB3021917
KB3035583 
KB2977759
KB2996978
KB3022345
KB3044374
KB3068708 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
you will no longer be prompted to install those hidden nonsense updates unless MS decides to try and slip them back in again and Windows Update will work fine
 
 
For Windows 8 the process is similar.. you can review the link above to remove this garbage
 
 
 
EDIT: If the above FIXIT tool fails and you still can not connect to WU, Try this tool:
 
 
Download the correct version x32 or x64 and let it repair WU. It will request you install a KB and then it will run a aggressive scan to fix issues.
 
It can take 10 minutes and up to 3 hours to run sometimes so if it appears to hang at like 85%, its still running..  reboot when it finished and recheck WU and don't worry about the MSfixit tools
 
One other option I found worked on one system, change the dropdown selection for how you get updates to: CHECK FOR UPDATES BUT LET ME CHOOSE TO DOWNLOAD/INSTALL
 
see if it connects. If it does and after changes are made you can switch it back to NEVER CHECK FOR UPDATES
 
 
 
===================================================
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
HOW TO DISABLE WINDOWS 10 UPGRADING FROM WINDOWS UPDATE:


 

KB3065987 (Published July 14th)   This update is OK as it allows you to turn off any Windows upgrade through Windows Update
Install this KB
 
Once installed, go to START and in the search box type: gpedit.msc
 
When the console appears then click to expand: Computer Configuration > Administrative Templates > Windows Components > Windows Update
 
In the side pane find and double click:  Turn off the upgrade to the latest version of Windows.
 
Move the bullet from NOT CONFIGURED to  ENABLED
 
Click APPLY and close
 
================================================
 
 
For those on versions of Windows that do not have the control console such as Windows 7 Home:
 
 
Its manually done in the registry
 
Verify this key exists in the registry..  if not create it manually:
 
Key: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE \SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\Gwx
Name: DisableGwx
Type: REG_DWORD
Value: 1
 
Copy this to notepad and save as: disable.reg, then merge it
 
--------------------------begin copy----------------------------
 
Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00
[-HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\GWX\shell\open\command]
[-HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\ms-gwx\shell\open\command]
[-HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Classes\GWX\shell\open\command]
[-HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Classes\ms-gwx\shell\open\command]
[-HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\WINEVT\Publishers\{18abebc9-83ec-435f-8f15-6d1e9187c999}]
 
--------------------------end copy----------------------------
 
 
NOTE: If for some reason you are seeing the W10 tray nag nonsense, you can disable that first with admin command prompt

taskkill /f /im GWX.exe /T

and then run the disable.reg
 
 
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May-23-2015 at 8:46pm
Nick

Thank You VERY VERY Much for this the average person would NEVER know about
I would of never caught it, I don't even know what logs to go look at

I cant believe MS is doing this ,,, that is low down and dirty,,, just as bad as hacking ,, and in a way it is hacking ,,,


MS YOU NEED TO GET YOUR SHI* BACK TOGETHER ,, TO MS, Maybe another Class action will wake your dumb as*es up at MS

Thanks Again Nick
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May-23-2015 at 9:06pm
Ok look
 
when you installed Windows you LEGALLY AGREED to allow this    OK?
 
Its a grey area but they can legally do this..    its just the way they did it is pretty STUPID when one considers how much CPU this takes up. MS has their heads in the sand and thinks no one uses their computer in such a way they need ALL the CPU power available to it
 
My GUESS is this is going to hit the fan and MS will issue a new update that will stop this check. I bet they considered that and decided to be intrusive out of the gate to collect as much information as possible from peoples computers before they were forced to shut it down
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May-23-2015 at 9:48pm
Good grief, not to wear a tin foil hat but in today's political climate, NSA?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May-23-2015 at 10:23pm
take the tin-foil hat off.,..   its just MS gathering information about everyone system for Windows 10 deployment so they can offer seamless upgrade        or downgrade if W10 is complete crap
 
On top of that one of the so called KB's has installed a feature to nag you about upgrading to Windows 10
 
 
 
I don't need or want MS using my system to make that call.. although it is legal for them to do it, we should have been given a OPT OUT warning, we were not
 
 
I was sitting here doing video editing and cant figure out why its going so slow..   find out my CPU and drive access is being sucked to death by MS. Same thing can happen to FS users
 
This is ridiculous but the process above will eliminate the issue assuming MS doesn't try anything sneaky again once its globally discovered and all over the net. Right now its known but not a well known issue because they deployed it first on systems by only triggering it when the monitor was asleep but the system was still up..   last updates recently changed that to deploy regardless.
 
As I said, I think they decided to just try and get as much information as they can before its widely discovered and will sit there and act like it was a accident and pull/fix it once it gets discovered and posted all over the net
 
 
 
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May-23-2015 at 10:28pm
I have not once updated my system since it was built, I found one, deleted it and it didn't ask for a reboot. I don't update because if it ain't broke...

I still don't trust them.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May-24-2015 at 2:12am
I hardly update either.....lazyness for one, but also because things are humming along pretty good.

Last updates I did was when I reinstalled everything in Jan/Feb 2014.
That is an FSX only system though.....nothing else on it !

I dont know......no specialist here, but if you dont visit dodgy sites (I dont even browse the internet with my FSX PC, I have a laptop for that) and only use your FSX system for,well...FSX.....then I would think Win7 with updates till 2015/02 is pretty much fixed/updated/optimized as much as is possible.

I might just refrain from updating completely after reading this.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May-24-2015 at 2:55am
Well, with this particular example as the unusual exception, I try to keep my system current with Windows Update (Other than Drivers).  

To date, I have never gone wrong with following the guidelines in The Bible.   I'm not intending to sound like a "Bible-Thumper" Wink, but to quote:

CHAPTER 3, VERSE 8

 

 

- You have run Windows update and rebooted several times until all Critical and Important optional or important suggested updates have been installed including Windows 7 SP1:

 

 

Under Windows Optional updates you can uncheck and skip junk such as BING toolbar and other bloat-ware features of that nature however there are good optional updates that should be applied such as compatibility updates and updates to NET that may be needed. Updating Windows requires running Windows Update, rebooting and returning to Windows Update to recheck over and over again until the message: �There are no updates available for you computer� appears.

 

 

NOTE: From time to time it is possible that a Windows Update can install a update that causes an issue. although this is VERY RARE and usually when such things happen they are noted online, however, such rare issues should never stop you from keeping your computer updated correctly from Windows Update.



I am danged appreciative of Nick's posting of things like this, and the ability to keep the system running optimally.   


Thank You, Nick!


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May-24-2015 at 7:06am
Yes....I am aware of that part of the Bible too.

And if I was using my PC for daily use like Email/internet/downloading stuff, etc then I would stick to that as well.
Just like you I pretty much stick to everything in the Bible.

As I said....I am updated as far as Feb 2015.....its not like I am running Win7 fresh out of the box.

But as it is, I dont even have a virus scanner on my FSX PC (dedicated FSX PC).
I never download anything with it, not even FSX addons.....I do all downloading/unpacking and virus scanning with my Laptop.
I never browse the internet with itt either....ever!
I have no other software installed...no email....no microsoft office....no flash player...no nothing.

I cant imagine that a recent or future update will increase performance of Win7.....it has been updated and Service packed as far as performance will go I am guessing.
So the only updates coming will be security updates and fixes for all kinds of software (and bogus updates mentioned here) that my FSX PC does not benefit from....again just guessing though.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May-24-2015 at 7:43am
777, I'm the same exact way. Never surf, only use the PC for FSX, nothing else at all, no AV, no firewall, Flash, Office. nothing. I even download files for FSX with my iMac and use a thumb drive to transfer them to the PC for installation.

And thanks to Nick my PC hums along perfectly, I have only had one or two OOM's and than was because of scenery I no longer use and the G1000 planes can take a major toll on VAS too.

But the PC is only for FSX, that's the only reason for its existence. So why update? I found one that was on Nick's list and promptly removed it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May-24-2015 at 8:03am
Thanks for the info Nick, I've done what you suggested regarding the updates.
Will you be keeping  tabs on any possible sneaks from MS? It would be appreciated.
What MS is doing is legal, but is it morally legal? 
You do realise that from now you might be in bad books with MS?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May-24-2015 at 11:13am
MS is going to do what ever they have to do to get people to move to another OS
 
In this day and age of apps and phones that track our every move, monitor our every keystroke and figure out what we buy and don't buy in order to change marketing tactics society has allowed a change in how things are done today as compared to the past which has opened the door to companies like MS to be more intrusive into our lives
 
MS bought Nokia so the trends from them will probably follow the same mindset as the smartphone business
 
Society allowed this by saying "I AGREE" to every intrusive agreement in the world and the younger generation doesn't care about a lot of that, they just want their toy to work.
 
One day they may wake up but by then the damage will have already been done, irreversible for the most part, and what might be reversed will be a token measure to appease but not make any real change till the next generation digs a deeper hole that can never be filled.
 
All we can do is find these things when they come up and figure out how to work around them
 
 
sad thing is, eventually there wont be any workarounds. There will come a day, not in my lifetime but it will come, where people are chipped at birth and the computers will follow everyone from the day they are born and GPS locate their final resting place
 
 
That's not tin-foil hat..  that's sadly just the way things are going and society is allowing it to slowly happen.
 
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May-24-2015 at 11:51am
I just can't erase this one KB2952664  no matter what I tried it still there after a reboot when I look in programs and features under "View installed updates" ...any suggestions?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May-24-2015 at 11:55am
Originally posted by alainneedle1 alainneedle1 wrote:

I just can't erase this one KB2952664  no matter what I tried it still there after a reboot when I look in programs and features under "View installed updates" ...any suggestions?
 
hmm..  just noticed that here too
 
let me check into that one
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May-24-2015 at 12:04pm
Originally posted by NickN NickN wrote:

Originally posted by alainneedle1 alainneedle1 wrote:

I just can't erase this one KB2952664  no matter what I tried it still there after a reboot when I look in programs and features under "View installed updates" ...any suggestions?
 
hmm..  just noticed that here too
 
let me check into that one

The funny part is that after running Window update you will see KB2952664 as a downloadable update as if it was uninstalled properly before BUT when you look in "View Installed updates" it's still there....

EDIT: Another thing, when uninstalling it again you'r not asked for a reboot so I think the update is not there anymore (I may be wrong) but only a shadow of it by the presence of the numbers related to it, see every time you uninstall this update you close and re-open the "View installed updates" right away and "voila" the numbers appeared again  ...."kinda" weird...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May-24-2015 at 12:28pm
checking here...  
 
That update was the one that wreaked havoc on systems last year and they reissued it. Its part of the system that runs for preparing for W10. Its optional but there is no warning about it or a opt-out for it.
 
Its possible they hard coded it to remain even after a reboot
 
I know if its uninstalled WU fails with a error and you must run the tool I posted...   but there may be another tool that will do the job too.
 
Like I said, checking here....   this may end up being a one shot deal and once installed it cant be removed without a windows flush and then make sure its never selected
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May-24-2015 at 12:33pm
Originally posted by NickN NickN wrote:

checking here...  
 
  this may end up being a one shot deal and once installed it cant be removed without a windows flush and then make sure its never selected
 
 

I thought about that.....would't this be great...sigh
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May-24-2015 at 12:49pm
Ok its uninstalled here
 
 
 
NOTE: THE ORIGINAL LIST ABOVE NOW HAS THIS PROCESS EDITED INTO IT
 
 
 
 
you REALLY have to question a 'optional update' from MS that when removed kills your ability to get updates from MS through WU unless you know how to repair it... and then it reinstalls by itself unless you know how to trick WU into skipping it.
 
Sounds like a thug coming around to collect for da boss
 
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May-24-2015 at 1:07pm
I have a feeling MS altered the Windows Update Diagnostic tool I originally posted to pull a fast one and not properly flush that KB out
 
The link I posted above is a OLD tool that should do the same thing the WUD tool I posted does but was made years ago and long before they got the bright idea to pull this nonsense
 
 
I will edit my original post to point to the Vista tool..    its also possible to get rid of it one must run both. That's the only factor I don't know here but I am not reinstalling that update to find out
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May-24-2015 at 1:55pm
OK the last tool did the trick, just a matter of time before MS alter this one also, I would not be surprise if they pull the same sh** under another update number...time will tell.

That just reminded me of Nvidia releasing a new drivers where you can't overclock the card and have to fix it back after to many complaints....

http://www.techpowerup.com/212813/nvidia-restores-overclocking-on-gtx-900m-again.html
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May-24-2015 at 2:18pm
I have never installed updates to Windows 7 since I built my system following the Bible and the Haswell 4.8 on air guides. After reading this I never will :-)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May-24-2015 at 2:31pm
Nick, what was the link to the first tool?
KB2952664 will not go away with only the MS FIX IT tool http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-vista/windows-update-error-8000ffff
 
I think we need to run both
 
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May-24-2015 at 2:33pm
Did you try it more than once?
 
Reboot and start the list over again and see what happens
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May-24-2015 at 2:35pm
Yes I did it twice and it still shows under INSTALLED UPDATES.
The date is changed to TODAY. It was originally installed MAY 21st.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May-24-2015 at 2:38pm
This is the Windows update diagnostic cab
 
 
That was the first tool I ran using the same list above    then I redid the list with the tool that is linked there now
 
 
 
If it does not work the start over with the one I linked here and follow the list....     and then run through the list again with the vista tool instead
 
if it goes away then it may take both tools to kill it because that is what both myself and alain did
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May-24-2015 at 3:40pm
I was finally able to get rid of KB2952664.
The problem though, is that I don't know if both tools were needed to get rid of it completely.
 
You see, I tried the Windows update diagnostic cab and then the Vista tool as well afterwards, rebooted and KB2952664 still showed under Installed Updates.
 
I then tried various methods, for instance the Windows update diagnostic cab and then reboot, uninstalled the KB2952664 again and then the Vista tool and another reboot and it stilled showed under installed updates.

Then I made a discovery. After uninstalling the KB2952664 yet again, I exited the Installed Updates window, and reentered it again and there KB2952664 showed up again (without rebooting). So I uninstalled it TWICE from Installed Updates without rebooting. Exited the window, reentered and now it was gone from Installed Updates.

Then ran the Vista tool, rebooted and KB2952664 was indeed gone. Hopefully for good.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May-24-2015 at 3:51pm
 
There is more traction gaining about this now in a few different forums 
 
 
 
 
 
I saw a post somewhere that suggested reinstalling KB3035583 then remove KB2952664 and remove KB3035583 again.
 
Once enough people start posting about the problems perhaps someone will make a tool or come up with a solution for the whole thing
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May-24-2015 at 4:10pm
If you simply uninstall this KB3035583 one you should have no issues with the others running.  I have never installed KB3035583 and have not seen any undue CPU usage.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May-24-2015 at 4:35pm
Thanks Nick for the heads up. 
It's funny, yesterday I noticed the sim was not performing as well as it used to.
I started to blaim the addon airport in the area but in the back of my head I knew it was not that bad last time so then I started blaiming the AI traffic since it can vary with the time and date. It could very well have been these updates that I noticed having an effect on performance. Anyway, without the heads up I would have been lost.
Thank you.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May-24-2015 at 4:53pm
Originally posted by ubersu ubersu wrote:

If you simply uninstall this KB3035583 one you should have no issues with the others running.  I have never installed KB3035583 and have not seen any undue CPU usage.
 
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No reason to have any of it in there for MS to trigger later in different ways once they catch on people are shutting one down
 
If I don't want my system scanned for Windows 10 or my computer running CPU all night long when I am not around, or, disk thrashing when I am using my system then I should be given a OPT OUT option on all of that
 
 KB3021917 will run with the other off too. That's where my disk activity was coming from even with 3035583 uninstalled and disabled at WU
 
 
These things are being triggered from the task scheduler when they fail to run otherwise
 
If MS wants to do this they can make a package and ask people if they want to run it for prep of Windows 10
 
These things are intrusive and not right
 
They eve try to pass it off as a "Easter Egg" like they are doing me a favor by running my system into the ground and forcing my power bill higher just to nagware me into take Windows 10    every other company that does that is considered malware and adware
 
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May-24-2015 at 5:07pm
As a note, after running through the fixes several times as outlined by Nick to get rid of  KB2952664, it kept re-appearing in the installed update list.  

I used Han's "double delete" method and re-ran the Vista fix, and KB2952664 is finally off my system.   That bugger is more persistent than a starved horse-fly!  

Thanks!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May-24-2015 at 5:22pm
Thanks for the heads up Nick!

uninstalled all that crap. Windows update worked fine, I did not have to run the tool, it only said that I never updated or installed updates before.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May-24-2015 at 7:07pm
Originally posted by mobsky mobsky wrote:

Thanks for the heads up Nick!

uninstalled all that crap. Windows update worked fine, I did not have to run the tool, it only said that I never updated or installed updates before.


Same here, per your instructions I uninstalled all 4 KBs simultaneously, lost the Update History but the Installed Updates list is there and does not show the 4 KB's listed above. Did not need the fixit tool. Rebooted and ran WUPD and it gave a long list of items including the 4 KBs just removed which I hid. I've only done this on my laptop so far, I'll take a look at my 2 sim rigs tomorrow. I generally don't care what gets loaded on the craptop and usually screen anything that's on offer from MSUpdate before installing anything on the other 2. I also usually wait 30 days before installing any newly offered updates to see if something like this happens, but I think 3035583 has actually be re-issued several times since earlier this year so not surprised it slipped through. I do not allow the updater to run automatically in Services.

I remember an issue but with USB connectivity with my controllers back in October 2 years ago that I think was caused by an winupdate. Took me 3 months to get over the problems, I think an update changed a setting for USB in the Turn Windows Features On/Off area. Maybe not.

However, I can't think of any win update ever issued that helped with running FSX. Perhaps .net and directx should be kept current. I don't surf dodgy websites and do no business on the PC's so all there is to steal is a buggy FSX program. Have at itLOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May-24-2015 at 7:41pm
FWIW, I uninstalled, Update worked so I hid the 4. Problem item returned - uninstalled again - update still working so didn't run fix. Rebooted, problem gone and also all 4 are hidden in updates.
 
Thanx Nick.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May-24-2015 at 8:20pm
Hi Nick and others,
 
Followed to remove updates etc.  did a search and found this:
Windows\WinSxS folder, prefixed "amd64_microsoft_windows_gwx". (get windows 10 )
seems the update installs these files.  removing the updates does not remove the files,
 
Also searched the registry ( search GWX ) and a reference to GWX with http links is in there.
 
Something worth checking.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May-24-2015 at 9:40pm
That's the end-game exe they installed
If the control files are dead it cant run but I can see it being reactivated with it still present
 
Funny thing is, when I did a trace on the run32dll processes that ran here it had no connection to GWX or that worker exe
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May-25-2015 at 3:44am
I now remember having dinner a few nights ago and my laptops fan going nuts all of a sudden....really loud annoying fan too!

It was just sitting there doing nothing supposedly......just checked, yep its got those nasty updates installed.....guess it was not just sitting there doing nothing after all..

Nasty things those Hobitses!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May-25-2015 at 4:07am
Originally posted by NickN NickN wrote:

That's the end-game exe they installed
If the control files are dead it cant run but I can see it being reactivated with it still present
 
Funny thing is, when I did a trace on the run32dll processes that ran here it had no connection to GWX or that worker exe
 
 

Any suggestions what we should do about that .exe if present?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May-25-2015 at 5:36am
I did everything told here but the kb2952664 kept coming right back, hiding it in the WU didn't help either, it just switched itself back as an important update and then found this solution which did work;
Set WU for " notifie if updates are available but I choose wether to download and install"
 
then install the next program from the link  http://qpdownload.com/iobit-uninstaller/...
Upon install click refuse to all the crap it wants to install to and then when finished run the program ( it will switch to some scan software but just close it with the "x") click on the top left arrow down button and click on the last named Windows updates and search for all entries for kb2952664 ( I had 2 entries ), click uninstall and when finished on the promped click deep scan to be sure to remove all. Reboot and see if the kb is gone ( rebooted 4 times and it didn't come back anymore though the entries in Windows/winsxs/ are still there ( 6 entries on my PC are probably going to cause troubles in the future ( one entrie is already a GWX.exe ))
If all is okay then just uninstall the 2 programs that came with it and reboot again.
 
Bye bye for now for W10
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May-25-2015 at 6:01am
Many thanks Nick for your investigation and resolution. Microsoft should be ashamed of themselves. We are all in your debt. Clap
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