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    Posted: December-18-2004 at 1:50pm

Dear RXP.  Please refer to the January 2005 issue of "Flying".  The feature article of the issue is a brand new Cessna Skylane equipped with the new G1000 glass panel.  Very detailed article.  Between that and corrospondance with Garmin do you think it possble to develope an FS version which could be universally applied to any single or twin or even micro biz jet?

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Hi Gary,

yes we have read this very interesing article! thank you for the headsup!

yes we do think it is possible...

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Jean-Luc

In that case why dont you go for the Avidyne Flightmax first ?..its in WAY more aircraft already than the Garmin G1000
Cirrus/Piper etc etc

Go on..you know you want to !

All the best

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Post Options Post Options   Quote DreamFleet1 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December-20-2004 at 1:42pm
I definitely want to see the G1000, as it is more comprehensive in nature than the Flightmax (built in radios, GPS, etc). Ultimately, we can put the G1000 in almost any plane. I wouldn't want see RXP spend valuable time on the Avidyne, better to spend it all on the Garmin.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote padman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December-20-2004 at 1:54pm
Yup

and the G1000 has been the subject of a reduction in use to DAY VFR only , because most of em are broken <g>
Having used both , the Avidyne is MUCH easier to use in conjunction with Garmins..who wants to push endless buttons just to change your squawk :-)

I must admit I am bised as I operate a Cirrus Sr22 which has the Garmins and Avidyne :-)

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Post Options Post Options   Quote davidvoogd Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March-19-2005 at 11:32am
You guys would be my hero if you made a Garmin 1000 package for FS!
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There is a freeware coming up... for those who can't wail... first alpha will b released within the next week for public testing...

 

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i've got about 40 hours behind the G1000 in Cessnas and others now, and I've got about 20 hours behind the Avidyne in an SR22

Both are light years ahead of anything else, but in my opinion the G1000 sets the standard.

By the way it's fine for day/night IFR/VFR nowadays.

 

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Hi Tim!

Can you give some pros and conns for the G1000 compared to the Avidynes?

Would be very interesting to hear your opinion if you compare the two systems :)

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To me the thing that makes the G1000 superior to the Avidyne is it's architecture.

All the functionality of the G1000 is in software, so it will be an easy thing for Garmin to change the flight planning metaphor from the GNS400/500 series to the FMS-like 480 (with knowledge of airways, etc).   Adding a third display unit is easy, so that larger airplanes like the Cessna Mustang can have two PFDs and a central MFD.

Adding ADS-B and the other things that are coming down the road will involve a software update, and maybe a module replacement.  Gone will be the days of paying for hours and hours of avionics work because the tech won't have to run new wires, rip out old wires, put in some sort of interface converter, etc.  

Here's an example.  Adding XM weather to the G1000 on the 182 is 20 min for the software update, and less than one hour to install the receiver module into the avionics bay if it's not already there.  A quick test flight and you're done.

Over the 20-odd year life of the airplane this savings will really add up.  I expect you'll replace flat panels with newer high res models, maybe add the Infrared FMS keyboard that Garmin can support (got this from a Garmin rep at OSH), replace the AHRS or add a second one for more reliability, get a WAAS GPS sensor or two, but you won't have to open the airplane for rewiring.  PS they do want to let you use that IR port to upload flight planning and download operational (flight tracks, engine data) information.

Once Garmin has it's autopilot ready it will be like flying a busjet, at least from the flying and navigation standpoint.

Now if Garmin is really smart, in a few years they'll either make all the interface specs public (so that you could buy add-on products to interface with it), or license them for a small fee.  They've already done this to some extent with the interface to the lightning detection sensor.  That would let folks add TCAS or other functions that Garmin doesn't make yet.

 

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Nitrox_Diver Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August-06-2005 at 4:01pm

Thanx för the answers!

Software- and module based avionics are the future as you mentioned :)

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The obvious difference between the G1000 and the Avidyne is.. the Com and Nav Radios are seperate for the Avidyne. You need the Garmin 430''s with it.

gor the Garmin 1000 you don't need the 430's. It has a Radio/Nav panel (a thin strip/Module wit hknobs) between the PFD and the MFD.

 

 

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Yeah, no doubt, the G1000 sets the standard, and when they can integrate the AP into it (watch, they will!) it's a dead issue. Garmin may have been second to market, but Cessna, Beech, Eclipse and Mooney have not chosen it just to be different.

I mean, why would one want to reach down to the center console on a SR22 to operate a Garmin 430, which is needed with an Avidyne, when that is built in to a Garmin G1000, and can be accessed  right in front of you?

Think about what I just said, VERY carefully, as this is a most-significant difference.

Nothing against Avidyne, but Garmin is not exactly a small player in this market; they do play to win, and they ultimately do just that.

As to any issues with the G1000, if you do not think they will be addressed, you are fooling yourself. They will be. Garmin still leads the market when it comes to GPS, and they will not let the G1000 fail. They will make it #1, just watch. ;-)

Now, if they can get STCs for retrofit to older aircraft, such as my 1980 Piper Dakota, they will all but own the market. That WILL make the difference. Beat Avidyne, and get some STCs, such as for Cessna 182s, and other popular higher end GA aircraft. These units will truly shine once they can be installed on aircraft other than "factory new".

Heck, if there's a diesel engine undergoing certification for my Dakota, I am sure Garmin could do the same with the G1000.

The challenge is not for Garmin, but for Avidyne to keep up with this powerhouse of a company.

 

 

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Can anyone else comment of the ease of use between the two systems?  Other than the seperate Garmin 430's necessary with the Avidyne unit?  I have heard that it is easier to access the info you want on the Avidyne.  Does Garmin need to do more work on the interface, or is it just a matter of personal prefrerence?

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Post Options Post Options   Quote davidvoogd Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August-16-2005 at 11:18am

One fault of the Avidyne system is it runs on a customized windows NT operating system - imagine flying that ILS down to minimums "Your Cirrus SR-22 has performed an illegal error"

(Just joking around of course, I'm sure it would have to be absolutely error free to be certified).

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"Uh, just a minute tower, let me hit Ctrl-Alt-Del and reboot my system and I'll be right with you."

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Originally posted by davidvoogd

One fault of the Avidyne system is it runs on a customized windows NT operating system



Gives the Blue Screen of Death a whole new meaning! 

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Originally posted by TonyB

"Uh, just a minute tower, let me hit Ctrl-Alt-Del and reboot my system and I'll be right with you."

Tony

All the glass panels run some sort of real-time OS, optimized for reliability and drastically simplified.  QNX (a unix-like kernel) is a popular choice, as is the Microsoft microkernel.  In MS defense here, 99% of crashes in NT and XP are due to device drivers that aren't written to spec (and are given privileges to the kernel so that a driver can crash it - because the alternative is to make the performance significantly slower).  That doesn't happen in the real-time OSs used in aviation, as very very few things have those privileges, and those that do are extensively tested and certified.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote TonyB Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August-16-2005 at 3:14pm

I understand it is reliable and the testing that goes into proving it.  I just had an amusing image pop into my head and shared it.  :)

Tony

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Post Options Post Options   Quote glassman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August-16-2005 at 7:53pm
To "timo" who is creating the freeware G1000 simulator, I have left you a private message in this forum with some information that may help you with improving the realism of your G1000 simulator.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Manny Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August-18-2005 at 10:57pm

I thought of something else..

 

In the G1000. I don't believe there is a second VOR. Somebody..please correct me If I am wrong here.

For step down fixes .... I can use the GPS ofcourse... but if I get a RAIM error.. I cannot go back the a second VOR to determine the fixes. I have to switch back and forth on VOR 1.

I don't know..if Avidyne has this issue or not.

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Any updates on this?
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Originally posted by Manny

I thought of something else..

 

In the G1000. I don't believe there is a second VOR. Somebody..please correct me If I am wrong here.

The latest G1000 Software does add two needles to the HSI, essentially making it a three-needle RMI.   All the needles are selectable, so you can have NAV1, NAV2, and RNAV/GPS all at once.  If you install the ADF module it can drive the RMI as well.

Makes flying a vor approach WITHOUT GPS guidance very easy.

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Hi All

Today I flew Cessna Skylane with Garmin G1000 and its truley amazing.

The detail is unbelievable. Its very intuitive and the large screens are beautiful.

All I ask of the development team, please please create a Cessna or any other plane with G1000, it would be a great training tool.

I am supposed to get an instructional CD from Cessna/Garmin for G1000 - so if you need it I can make it available to the development team.

 

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Post Options Post Options   Quote davidvoogd Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September-10-2005 at 10:57pm
Sporty's also sells a Garmin 1000 DVD as well I believe.
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I bought Sportys G1000 video to prepare for flying my club's new G1000 172S.  It is not an instructional video by any stretch - just general operation.  It is a decent overview of the basic features with some nice in flight footage - nothing more.  They also have an Avidyne video.
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The Sportys G1000 is so lame.... Its like reading a  brochure. Its a waste. What infuriates me... is they take the effort to make a DVD but they don''t have content.. why would they do that? 

The DVD that Garmin gives is pretty comprehensive.  The free software and training ware from Garmin is simply amazing.

I recently got the Garmin 430/530 Video from them... its absolutely amazing.. I paid $25 for it... Its crammed with everything.. I mean everything you need to know about the Garmin  430/530.




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Post Options Post Options   Quote rockystick Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August-26-2006 at 2:32am
I just finished the computerized G1000 course produced by John & Martha King of King Schools - it was worth every penny I paid, and every minute I spent with the course. While the course is around $250 when ordered direct through King Schools, airport FBOs who inventory the G1000 equipped aircraft seem to be interested in getting their pilot customers qualified to rent them. These two airports in my area are providing incentives... I got my course new in the package for just $179. I also attended a free seminar held by the Chief Flight Instructor at a second airport in my area, and he offered a free Saturday hands on training session in his FBO. The course has both VFR and IFR sections and details the function and operation of the system quite well. The G1000 is a wonderful unit - while I'll be flying it real-world and with Mindstar Aviations simulation, any die-hard simmer would benefit from knowledge learned in the course, and could then go on to apply the information in the FS add-on. King Schools also produces an excellent DVD for use on a television/DVD that covers use of the KLN 94/KMD550. SimFlyers will have their add-on KLN94/KMD550 units soon. Blue skys!
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I apologize for mentioning products in potential competition with RealityXP in my last post. My response to a private message moments earlier threw me off a bit.

I’ve always been hopeful that RealityXP will produce a G1000 of their own which I know would surpass that of any other… products from RealityXP have a history of superiority in this market area. Be sure that I will buy it immediately after released. Wish, wish, wish - hope, hope, hope! ;-)
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Well, I wonder if any of you realize that FSX already has the G1000 built into some planes right out of the box.  I think its in 4 planes now and is supposed to port over to others with ease for all you panel modders out there.

Cessna and Mooney are two of the planes I know for sure you can find it in.  Microsoft claims the G1000 is 80% functional in FSX.  Still leaves a bit of room for improvement...

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Personally, I'm going to wait until Eaglesoft/Mindstar comes out with a joint venture product. Mindstar is still a work in progress, but it is probably already ahead of what we will see in FSX.

I'm hoping for a new Mooney via this collaboration.....we'll see, thtus far Eaglesoft is keeping pretty quiet about this, but then, they do have their hands full at the moment.
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A new Mooney? Yes!  That's near and dear to my heart.  Ovation 3.
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Whoa....I said 'hoping'. I've nudged Ron about this, but he does not guarantee anything....but he does seem to indicate an interest.
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Oh, I'm not holding my breath by any means.  I'm just expressing my excitement for the possibility.  Let him know if he does do an Ovation 3, he can place my order for it now.
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