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    Posted: July-22-2010 at 12:31am
I have AS 6.5 and GE pro and started a flight plan in Vancouver BC today.  Started AS for the wx and it transferred me to GEpro for the graphics.  It installed clear sky ground graphics.  When the flight started it was very cloudy.  I later checked and the real weather was cloudy so AS got it right.  Why would GE pro install clear sky ground graphics?
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I have always started GEP and let it fetch the METAR from AS.  You never see AS except as a running app (you'll hear the thunder clap so you know it's running).


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Post Options Post Options   Quote rich12545 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July-22-2010 at 11:48am
According to Jim Skorna you're doing it backwards.  He says doing it that way you will not input AS weather into FS9. 

However, either way GEP should input the proper graphics for the weather.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote luap Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July-22-2010 at 1:59pm
I ran AS6.6 once... way back when.  These are my settings.
 
 
 
...I have not directly run it since.
 
This is GEPII firing up...
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
FS9 loads the WX from AS6... usually not visible immediately, but after I load my desired aircraft and starting point I see this...
 
 
In FS9 I see this.  Definately all correct for the WX conditions here in sunny Racine, Wisconsin.
 
 
I do not use clouds from AS6.5 Active Graphics or whatever it is called.  I have always preferred my FE clouds, just a personal preference.  The AG clouds are nice, too.  This may be why this method works for me and not for you.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote rich12545 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July-22-2010 at 4:04pm
Thanks for all the pix.  I assumed it would work.  It seemed to.  I would prefer to start with GEP than AS. 

I like the wx-controlled clouds from AS so I wrote on the AS forum and asked if the clouds would load with the wx when starting originally from GEP.  He wrote that the wx doesn't load into FS that way, that GEP only uses the wx info from AS in that instance to determine which textures to load.  That's it.  I'm just repeating what he said.  You and he seem to have different opinions.  I'm going to write again on the hifi forum.  This is getting crazy.
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No different opions, here.  J is telling you how AG clouds load.  I do not use them.  If you are going to use AG clouds, skip my method.   I load and config my clouds with FE, then start GEP which fetches METAR data from AS6.5 and then I start FS9.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote rich12545 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July-22-2010 at 6:31pm
Actually he was telling me how AS weather loads.  He said you must start AS first.  Totally different from what you've been saying.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote luap Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July-22-2010 at 7:19pm

I think I have proven beyond a doubt that GEP starts fetches and uses AS data.  It's all part of teh integration.  make sure he knows you are talking FS9... We are talking FS9, aren't we?

I NEVER start AS6.5... ever... unless I am taking screen shots for you.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote rich12545 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July-22-2010 at 7:51pm
I just looked at the AS documentation as it pertains to GEP integration.  It says you can start either one first and it will work fine.  Hard to understand but it looks like it won't install clouds unless you start AS first.  Problem is when you start AS first then GEP doesn't always install the right textures.  Sometimes when it's overcast GEP installs clear textures.  So it looks like I have a choice.  I can either start GEP first and go back to using FE clouds, but I like the idea of wx-influenced clouds.  Not sure how much of a difference they make though.  Or I can start AS first and sometimes not get the correct GEP textures.  Or I can do some convoluted combination.  I'll have to think about it.  In the meantime, would you mind sharing the different FE combinations you use?  Do you input different combinations depending on weather?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote luap Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July-22-2010 at 9:49pm

I hit randomize.

Something different every time.  If I find something that really impresses, I save it as a set before I run FE, again.
 
 
ECHO OFF
CLS
ECHO ************************************************
ECHO FLIGHT SIMULATOR 9 BATCH LOADER BY PSB 21JAN2010
ECHO ************************************************
ECHO ****** SET FE OPTIONS, CLOSE WHEN FINISHED *****
ECHO ************************************************
ECHO **** SET GEPRO OPTIONS, CLOSE WHEN FINISHED ****
ECHO ************************************************
ECHO *
PAUSE
ECHO *
ECHO ************************************************
ECHO ******* USE RANDOMIZER TO SELECT CLOUDS ********
ECHO ******** OR USE FAVOITES FOR PRESETS ***********
ECHO *********** OR PICK YOUR PREFERENCE ************
ECHO ************************************************
ECHO ** CLOSE TO PROCEED, DO NOT LET FE LAUNCH FS9 **
ECHO ************************************************
ECHO *
PAUSE
C:
CD C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft Games\Flight Simulator 9\Flight One Software\Flight Environment\
START /WAIT FlightEnvironment.exe
ECHO *
ECHO ************************************************
ECHO ***** USE WX CONTROLTO SET EVERYTHING ELSE *****
ECHO ********** OR PICK YOUR PREFERENCE *************
ECHO ************************************************
ECHO * CLOSE TO PROCEED, DO NOT LET GEP LAUNCH FS9 **
ECHO ************************************************
ECHO *
PAUSE
C:
CD C:\Program Files (x86)\Flight One Software\Ground Environment Professional\
START /WAIT GE_PRO.EXE
ECHO *
ECHO ************************************************
ECHO ******* GET RID OF DUPLICATE UT TRAFFIC ********
ECHO ************************************************
ECHO *
PAUSE
D:
CD D:\Archive - FS2K4 A Century of Flight\organized payware\Flight1\Ultimate Traffic\AISmooth_V120\
START AISMOOTH.EXE
ECHO *
ECHO ************************************************
ECHO *************** START TRACK IR *****************
ECHO ************************************************
ECHO *
PAUSE
C:
CD C:\Program Files (x86)\NaturalPoint\TrackIR4\
START TRACKIR.EXE
ECHO *
ECHO ************************************************
ECHO ***************** START FS9 ********************
ECHO ************************************************
ECHO *
PAUSE
C:
CD C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft Games\Flight Simulator 9\
START FS9.EXE
 
 

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Post Options Post Options   Quote rich12545 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July-22-2010 at 10:12pm
Thanks.  I heard from Jim again.  He was very clear that to input wx info into FS you must start AS first.  He said doing it the other way inputs wx only to give info to GEP to determine which texture set to load.  He said AS does not run in the background when you start GEP first.  Something is very screwy.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote luap Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July-23-2010 at 12:27am

Jim is full of beans.  Link to that forum please.

 
Why is AS is in my system tray?
Why is FS9 has user defined WX set at the UI?
Why do I have appropriate WX in game?
Why so I have AS ATIS on 122.000 broadcasting appropriate AS weather?

 
 

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Post Options Post Options   Quote luap Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July-23-2010 at 3:33am
Who put that AS6 icon in my systray?  Not me.
 
 
... and the rain and the clouds and the wind and the ATIS

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Here's a link to the thread.  I understand what you're saying but I'm brand new to AS and am just trying to get it all working together.
http://www2.hifisim.com/node/1379

The question remains. If I start with AS, once it loads the flight plan it goes to GEP to load the textures.  Sometimes GEP loads the wrong textures.  Why does it do this and how can I get it to load the correct textures every time?
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Win7 or XP?

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Win 7 x64
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Aporadic admin issue perhaps?  Try right click, run as admin.
 
I am going to put up a string of pix shortly showing everything happening which should prove to J that AS does not need to be manually run.  Will put link up in both locations.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote rich12545 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July-23-2010 at 12:02pm
It's not an admin problem.  Shortly after getting win 7 I did some control setting, can't remember what it was offhand, but I don't need to be concerned with admin rights.  All my programs and games work fine.  GEP works fine except it picks the wrong texture sometimes when addressed from AS.
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This is the batch file I use for starting FS9.  Below that, the sequence of events is pictorially shown.
 
c:
CD C:\Program Files\nHancer\
START /WAIT nHancer.exe
c:
CD C:\Program Files\CH Products\Control Manager\
START /WAIT CHCtlMgr.exe
C:
CD C:\Program Files\Microsoft Games\Flight Simulator 9\Flight One Software\Flight Environment\
START /WAIT FlightEnvironment.exe
C:
CD C:\Program Files\Flight One Software\Ground Environment Professional\
START /WAIT GE_PRO.EXE
D:
CD D:\Archive - FS2K4 A Century of Flight\organized payware\Flight1\Ultimate Traffic\AISmooth_V120\
START AISMOOTH.EXE
C:
CD C:\Program Files\NaturalPoint\TrackIR4\
START TRACKIR.EXE
C:
CD C:\Program Files\Microsoft Games\Flight Simulator 9\
START FS9.EXE
 

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Post Options Post Options   Quote rich12545 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July-23-2010 at 12:32pm
That's interesting.  Couple questions.

Why do you start nhancer?  I never do yet it's always there when I go into FS.

Do you start every flight in Racine WI?  What if you want to start somewhere else?  And if you start somewhere else the weather will likely be different. 

What is Trackir?
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The profile requires a manual start... dunno why.

No, I do not start in Racine, WI all the time but the sequence is the same.  AS starts with KSEA and then eventually kicks over to the closest station.  I do not fly transcon or anything like that.  I fly in an area.  If you are going to load flight plans that cover a great deal of area./distance... things get different but I am not certain that you would have to start AS manually as I think you can still window out of FS and fiddle with AS.  Something to play with (remember, FS is not about flying but rather wasting time figurig out what you can all do with it Wink).
 
What is Track IR?  FS without Track IR is like cake without ice cream. http://www.naturalpoint.com/trackir/
 
 

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Post Options Post Options   Quote rich12545 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July-23-2010 at 1:15pm
That Track IR looks cool.  Don't think I could sell the idea to my wife though lol.

I fly short hops (1-2 hours each) and only use a few different aircraft, small ones like the super cub, beaver, tailwind, kodiak, stock cessna.

So what you're saying, if I understand correctly, is that AS loads weather from all over when it loads from GEP?  So that when you go to the create a flight you can load any flight plan and the weather will be correct?  Problem is what about the ground textures?  If you go to different weather from Racine then the ground textures will be wrong for the weather.  They need to be loaded correctly before starting FS.
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Originally posted by rich12545

That Track IR looks cool.  Don't think I could sell the idea to my wife though lol.

 
Charm, dude.  Charm

I fly short hops (1-2 hours each) and only use a few different aircraft, small ones like the super cub, beaver, tailwind, kodiak, stock cessna.

Then large areas probably are not an issue with you, either.  I never fly with a complex flight plan.  I just load and go, usually looking for interesting scenery areas with puddles to play in.

So what you're saying, if I understand correctly, is that AS loads weather from all over when it loads from GEP?  So that when you go to the create a flight you can load any flight plan and the weather will be correct?  Problem is what about the ground textures?  If you go to different weather from Racine then the ground textures will be wrong for the weather.  They need to be loaded correctly before starting FS.
 
AS loads by nearest station. so it will be correct for that particular WX station.  I am going to make a flight from cloudy to clear here and see what happens.
 
If you fly from cloudy to clear, you are stuck with whatever textures are loaded by GEP at start regardless of WX condition changes because FS cannot change textures on the fly.  If you thought that GEP could do this, it can't.  Sorry.  This is not a limitation of GEP or AS, it is a limitation of FS.
 
One other interesting note, AS will not kick FS into user defined WX if running in wondowed mode, apparently.  When I was making those screenies, I noticed that I had to flip back and forth from full to window to full to get it to catch.  As I fly full screen all the time, I have never noticed this behaviour before... but the point still stands, AS forces user defined WX in FS, even when started by GEP.

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I made a whole bunch of flight plans in the areas in which I like to fly, all over but mostly WA and north of that.  I also downloaded a bunch of flight plans from all over the world and will use them once in a while.  All together I have more than 2000 flight plans, that ought to last a while.  The difference is that with AS I'll use a plan with real weather instead of a flight with a weather theme.  And AS makes the cloud formations look nice.  I won't use a batch file though.  I'd rather start with the specific flight plan and get wx and GEP textures for that plan.

Btw, it seems Jim only responds to forum messages at night.

Another curious question.  Do you use the sky from GEP or FE?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote luap Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July-23-2010 at 3:13pm
Jumping from airport to airport I had appropriate updates and AS matched FS.  What I did notice from time to time was that the ATIS needed to catch up a little.  It would have the right ZULU time and location but wind direction/speed were off but did sooner or later catch up.  Again, the METAR data in AS matched the FS situation but ATIS was lagging on wind.
 
FE clouds, GEP everything else.
 
That's probably because Jim has a real job aside from babysitting us simmers.

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A real job?????  What nerve.

Anyhow, I don't want to wonder if I'm going to get the correct textures.  So I'm going back to using FE.  I'll just randomize once in a while.  I'll open with GEP and get AS that way.  I'm not sure how much the wx clouds contribute since I couldn't tell the difference.  I don't know what the problem is with GEP and it's erratic texture choices but this will work fine.  And I assume you use FE for water as well?  So I think I'm done with this, it's back to flying.  Thanks very much for your help.
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