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    Posted: May-21-2010 at 2:46am
Hey everybody,

long ago I purchased the dreamfleet Baron 58 for FS9. A couple months later I switched to FSX, and there being no FSX version/patch for the B58 I kind of forgot about it. But yesterday I stumbled upon the Dreamfleet website, so I started browsing for a headsup on maybe a development of FSX versions, I am especially interested in the A36, since I would prefere that one to the new F33 by Carenado, and found a comment in their news section, stating that they were actually working on remaking their products for FSX, see here http://www.dreamfleet2000.com/news_FSX.htm .

This statement however is from 2007. Then I read the comment about Dreamfleet being involved with Reality XP in making the AirlinersXP Airbus. That really scared me off a little, because the following:
Airliner XP’s A320 Airbus which has been under development for 3 years will be released shortly for FS9 first and FSX later

refferes to back in 2008 I think.

So I am worried, with all the other airbusses out there atm, AirlinerXP and with it, Dreamfleet, didn't go down due to financial issues did they? It has been silent for so long that I really really hope they are just still working on that airbus and there is still hope for them to update their FS9 fleet and release the announced Turbo Arrow III and other beautiful planes of their product range!

I would really appreciate a short Statement about wether or not Dreamfleet is still active and working on projects, just so I know if I'm going to get my dear Baron on to FSX one day =)

Many thanks in advance,
greetings
Pascal

PS: One thing: No need to tell me that FS-products need time developing, I don't brag for release dates. I know exactly that any good addon needs A LOT of time programming, which is why I still have hope that AXP could still be working on their airbus. A development time of 5 years for such a complex model is in my opinion still pretty reasonable, see Airsimmer, they arent finished yet either, and I do beleive they are as professional programmers as you will get. But I just would appreciate to know if there is still fire under the soupcaldron.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote luap Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May-21-2010 at 3:11am

Well...

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Lou seems to have gone to ground on all fronts.  Paul Golding is around, however.  Not sure exactly how that reflects upon the current activities of DF2000, but for Lou's part he seems to be out of the loop.  I have seen posts from Paul about works in progress but as with all good developers he is holding things close to the vest.


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Post Options Post Options   Quote Rimshot Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May-21-2010 at 5:44am
Amazing that this happened without a statement to the customers. I've seen other FS developers quit the business, but they at least communicated and/or explained this on their websites.
The only reason I purchased the Archer III for FS9 was the promise I would get a free FSX version in due time. Guess they've got that money in the bag...
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Post Options Post Options   Quote spitfireinvasio Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May-21-2010 at 3:16pm
Hmm yeah :/
Shame though...
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Post Options Post Options   Quote ldmax Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May-23-2010 at 8:29pm
Yup, I realize that the flight sim add-on business is a very tough one.  But to just disappear without a trace, no communication to your loyal customers is very unprofessional.  Not what I expected from Dreamfleet. 
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Post Options Post Options   Quote luap Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May-23-2010 at 9:08pm
Paul Golding is still kicking.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote spitfireinvasio Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May-24-2010 at 3:26am
Where did you happen to see Paul post about WIPs? Maybe if I could find and contact him he'll be able to confirm that Lou is out of business. I mean, who really knows, maybe he's been working on the Airbus alone since 2008 and is going to surprisingly release it in summer, kicking Aerosoft and Airsimmer out of the market like Jackie Chan kicks the bad boys in Rush hour? :D
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Post Options Post Options   Quote luap Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May-24-2010 at 8:44am
Google, Bing, individual forum searches. You'll find him.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote cal2177 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May-24-2010 at 8:48am
I saw Paul on this forum just recently. Maybe a week or so ago in the BN-2 section.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Paul Golding Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June-03-2010 at 10:39am
Originally posted by cal2177

I saw Paul on this forum just recently. Maybe a week or so ago in the BN-2 section.


Who, me?

Well, what can I say about Dreamfleet? I've not heard from Lou since March when I emailed him concerning some bad links on the website, which he fixed. Before that was Feb 09 when he responded to an email to me from somebody claiming Dreamfleet was closed, the response......"not true".

However, I've got no reason to believe Lou is currently active in the FS world as he seems happier playing with real aeroplanes, and yes, some kind of statement would be nice.

As for me, yes I'm still about, and yes, the 727 will fly in FSX one day......though I doubt it will known as the Dreamfleet 727 and until it's in beta and I'm in a position to decide under what name it gets published, no further details will be forthcoming. As I've been involved in other (albeit never to see the light of day) projects with Flight 1, like the A400M and another which can't disclosed yet, the 727 will probably be a Flight 1 product.....if they want it of course

In the meantime, the DF727 forum is still active at Flightsim.com.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote cal2177 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June-03-2010 at 10:52am

Hi Paul. Yep, it was you I was referring to.

The one aircraft I miss most since moving to FSX is your B727. It'll be a good day when it appears on a sale page. Well, that and a DC-8 if that is still a possibility.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Paul Golding Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June-03-2010 at 11:12am
Originally posted by cal2177

Hi Paul. Yep, it was you I was referring to.


The one aircraft I miss most since moving to FSX is your B727. It'll be a good day when it appears on a sale page. Well, that and a DC-8 if that is still a possibility.



Sadly, the DC-8 is now most unlikely. The model was pretty advanced for FS9, and the 2d artwork was mostly done....but that was some 3 years ago now! The artwork is no longer useable because 1600 x 1200 is too small in my opinion for 2d, but more importantly, the modeller vanished

I'll be happy to get the 727 out along with the undisclosed Flight 1 product. Then I'll talk Paul S into finishing the 707
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Post Options Post Options   Quote cal2177 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June-03-2010 at 12:37pm

A B707 would be just as welcome in my hangar as would a DC-8. Clap I'll go ahead and clear out spots in my hangar for it and the B727X.

Thanks for the information, Paul. I'll keep refreshing the sale page until it shows up.LOL I'm kidding of course. I look forward to seeing what you guys come up with.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote luap Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June-03-2010 at 7:02pm

Need more turboprops.... A-400 has my vote.


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Post Options Post Options   Quote Paul Golding Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June-04-2010 at 9:16am
Originally posted by luap

Need more turboprops.... A-400 has my vote.



Mine too, but the future of that project is between Steve and Airbus Military.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote luap Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June-04-2010 at 9:24am

Are you listening, Steve?!?!?!

Supose that the simulated A-400 should follow the same convoluted path as the real one.... absolute realisim, you know.


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Post Options Post Options   Quote cal2177 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June-04-2010 at 10:29am

I'll second the turboprop statement. There's probably no way an ATR-72 native to FSX will happen. But I sure wish it would.

Or a high quality Saab 340B.

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Originally posted by cal2177

I'll second the turboprop statement. There's probably no way an ATR-72 native to FSX will happen. But I sure wish it would.


Or a high quality Saab 340B.



Latest news from ATR was that they are still waiting for the final decision on the avionics package for the -600.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote cal2177 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June-04-2010 at 4:24pm
Well now. A -600 would be nice too.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote wilburpif90 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July-03-2010 at 8:11pm
So Paul:
 
A lot of us have the CS 727 X, but it doesn't fly by the book the way yours did, and so I don't bother using it.  I don't even have mine installed anymore.  We are getting impatient (edit: I presume it is a "we" and not just a "me") for the follow on to the Dreamfleet.  I'm sure a lot of us are really starting to doubt that we will ever see it. 
 
Speaking for myself, Flight Simming is frustrating these days because there are very few developers that want to develop the classics from the 60s and 70s with dials and steam guages, one such exception being the Concorde, and their next project is a glass Airbus.  When I was a kid, it seemed every plane that flew over, or that I flew on, was a 727 or a Jurassic 737, and those are the planes that I most long to fly in FSX.  It seems that most of the high end developers for FS these days want to do the glass cockpit stuff, which is fun and immersive, but simply doesn't hold the glamor.
 
I'm betting that others feel the same. It baffles me that some publisher, such as Flight 1, wouldn't want to gobble up your 727, fund it, prod it along, or do whatever publishers do to bring that project to market.
 
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Originally posted by wilburpif90

I don't even have mine installed anymore.  We are getting impatient for the follow on to the Dreamfleet.  I'm sure a lot of us are really starting to doubt that we will ever see it.
 
 
I've learned to never doubt and never expect.  Keeps my FS heair from going gray and falling out.
 
Speaking for myself, Flight Simming is frustrating these days because there are very few developers that want to develop the classics from the 60s and 70s with dials and steam guages, with the noticeable exception of the Concorde, and their next project is a glass Airbus.
 
Little Timmy wants glass and I guess there are more little Timmy's then there are Wilbur's, unfortunately.
 
It seems that most of the high end developers for FS these days want to do the glass cockpit stuff, which is fun and immersive, but simply doesn't hold the glamor.
 
See above.  Darn you, Timmy!.... sigh. 
 
It baffles me that some publisher, such as Flight 1, wouldn't want to gobble up your 727, fund it, prod it along, or do whatever publishers do to bring that project to market.
 
Oh I am sure that Flight1 would be more than happy to wrap it for them,but the reality is that it is the (wise) author that makes the decision to go thru Flight1.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote cal2177 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July-06-2010 at 12:12pm
When you get old like Paul (luap), well okay meLOL, you learn that all good things come to those who wait. I have no idea what it takes to develop and aircraft but I do know from alpha and beta testing the Super 80 that it takes a great deal of time to do. And all I saw was the alpha and beta versions. I didn't see the months of work that took place prior to that point. I'm as anxious as anyone for a 727X and a 707X but I can wait for a high quality version instead of settling for one developed by a competing company who will remain nameless but are known for taking shortcuts and then selling essentially freeware aircraft for big bucks.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Paul Golding Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July-09-2010 at 10:29am
It will come and it will be from Flight 1.

As for when; who knows? I certainly don't have a clue, I mean, Jim does this stuff for a living and won't hint at release years, let alone months and I do this for fun because there's no way the income from it can replace what I earn in the real world. My wife calls this holiday money!

Sorry if that's not what some want to hear, but when the time comes, everyone will know about it here first.
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Works for me, Paul. All good things come to those who wait.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote luap Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July-09-2010 at 5:16pm
Originally posted by Paul Golding

I do this for fun because there's no way the income from it can replace what I earn in the real world. My wife calls this holiday money!
 
Can we put that up as a sticky with a flashing marquee so that everyone knows what making addons is for most authors... something done for fun.  I personally know somebody who makes addons and guess what his royalties buys him... new golf clubs every year or so.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Jim Rhoads Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July-09-2010 at 7:56pm
Amen Paul X2

If they only knew.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote wilburpif90 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July-10-2010 at 3:34pm
Well, I love the raked back look of the 727, as opposed to the DC-9s, which always looked like a gigantic flying pencil to me, but I have to say that the coolsky/flight 1 super 80 wonderfully fills that particular niche that was occupied by the Dreamfleet 727  (and RFP 747) in FS2004;  So I hope I'm not complaining -too- loudlySmile
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As long as your post is not all caps and 24 point font, no, you're fine.

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Originally posted by luap

As long as your post is not all caps and 24 point font, no, you're fine.
 
That was a joke, right?
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Yes, Wil.

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